Johnny Canuck3
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You show up with your condescending attitude, totally unaware of your own limitations in grasping the finer points. It's an amusing act to watch.
Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship, and beat people on board. Fatalities reported.
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You show up with your condescending attitude, totally unaware of your own limitations in grasping the finer points. It's an amusing act to watch.
weltweit
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A woman on BBC News is saying that Israel parachuted people onto the ship . and that it is not clear who started shooting first.
Amazing. I have not been tuned into this for long, but I have already seen footage of Commandos letting themselves down a rope from a helicopter. Where did she get the idea they parachuted?
Amazing. I have not been tuned into this for long, but I have already seen footage of Commandos letting themselves down a rope from a helicopter. Where did she get the idea they parachuted?
Johnny Canuck3
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Yeah you never quite understood that did you.
I never did catch on, no matter how long you took to explain it to me.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
could we stick to the points of the argument perhaps?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Ironic
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Blaming the victims of a massacre for the actions of their killers is pretty fucking low in my opinion.
It's pathetic and it's disgusting Why don't you and Sass for once, just once, just have the balls to condemn the indefensible. Because right now you "friends of Israel are all coming across as really sick bastards.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I could explain how international law looks from a marxist perspective and how even the UN think this action is out of order. I suspect, however, that you don't give s fuck and will go 'la la don't care, Israel is right'
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
How does the 'rule of law' justify (laughably incompetent) Israeli commandos boarding a Turkish ship in international waters?
Blagsta
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Poor youI never did catch on, no matter how long you took to explain it to me.
Johnny Canuck3
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Ironic
Actually, I've blown my anger load for this afternoon. If you want to get a towel and wipe your face, now'd be a good time.
Fedayn
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My word, it's almost as if you can smell the dgrees and phd's from Yale, MIT or Berkeley....
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out on the kocker
Blagsta
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He's referring to his inability to understand an argument analysing power relations in society. He thinks it's an argument he won, bless.
Johnny Canuck3
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I didn't know you'd been to school in the States?
Fedayn
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Sadly, Johnny types a bit faster.
And ironically drools alot more too.
Blagsta
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You have a rather odd fantasy life.
Actually, I've blown my anger load for this afternoon. If you want to get a towel and wipe your face, now'd be a good time.
Johnny Canuck3
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Fedayn
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Correct, you wouldn't know.
Johnny Canuck3
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You have a rather odd fantasy life.
Have you been talking to my wife?
little_legs
Поехали!
conventional international law is ambiguous about this. from the israeli perspective they are allowed to blockade anyone in the international waters who represents a geniune threat. as long as they can prove this to the un security council, they are off the hook.
from the palestinian (or the aid convoy's) perspective, they could argue that israeli forces have acted like ... forgive me for making an awful comparison the somali pirates and they tried to kill them albeit with clubs simply for the fear of their lives...
gavman
pj slumpy
performing mime artists?
Johnny Canuck3
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Just as you have no clue where I went to school.
Although my broader opinion of the event hasn't changed, i.e. the deaths are fundamentally attributable to Israeli actions, having read the relevant parts of the report mentioned in the Melanie Phillips article, having checked out the provenance of that report, and also having surveyed all the information available in terms of videos of the boarding and Israeli records of their strategy, I'm a lot less sure about the cause and effect in the chain of events that led up to the Israeli shooting.
At least two things seem a bit more clear now.
Firstly, the soldiers were armed to deal with a riot-like situation and carried only holstered firearms. Therefore the idea that they opened fire upon hitting the deck lacks credibility. In fact, it appears that they were principally armed with paintball guns, which is one of the reasons why some of them were overwhelmed.
Secondly, the IHH does not exactly have a squeaky clean record and furthermore there seems to be a track record of infiltration of Islamic charities by militants. However, be that as it may, I still suspect that the reaction of the activists is more in line with lay people who are passionate about their cause rather than something more cynical.
This is a massive fuck-up by the Israeli military - an atrocity even. For instance, watching the videos, it seems possible to identify when the firing starts as when the crowd rapidly disperses, which begs the question as to why the soldiers then had to go on shooting into 9 people until they were dead.
However, the picture seems to be getting less clear rather than more.
It'll be interesting to see what kind of account the activists themselves have - not so much of the raid, I think we can pretty much see what happened from the videos already in circulation, but more so in terms of their broader impressions of the flotilla and its constituent members.
At least two things seem a bit more clear now.
Firstly, the soldiers were armed to deal with a riot-like situation and carried only holstered firearms. Therefore the idea that they opened fire upon hitting the deck lacks credibility. In fact, it appears that they were principally armed with paintball guns, which is one of the reasons why some of them were overwhelmed.
Secondly, the IHH does not exactly have a squeaky clean record and furthermore there seems to be a track record of infiltration of Islamic charities by militants. However, be that as it may, I still suspect that the reaction of the activists is more in line with lay people who are passionate about their cause rather than something more cynical.
This is a massive fuck-up by the Israeli military - an atrocity even. For instance, watching the videos, it seems possible to identify when the firing starts as when the crowd rapidly disperses, which begs the question as to why the soldiers then had to go on shooting into 9 people until they were dead.
However, the picture seems to be getting less clear rather than more.
It'll be interesting to see what kind of account the activists themselves have - not so much of the raid, I think we can pretty much see what happened from the videos already in circulation, but more so in terms of their broader impressions of the flotilla and its constituent members.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Err...no
Fedayn
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Fuck right off you loathsome fuck.... What a fucking scummy little comparison, deliberately trying to link the aid convoy with murderous pirates.
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out on the kocker
Fedayn
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Never claimed I did... Funny that...
Johnny Canuck3
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I suppose being able to smell MIT is different from knowing something.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick.
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