Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh i think she made the same calculation as tony blair, namely which party can i get further in. and decided her options in fianna fail were limited.
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Idris2002
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I'm really not sure about that. She is a career politician, that's for sure, but when she joined SF I'm not sure it would have seemed like that good a bet. I think at the time of the GFA and immediately after, a lot of the establishment assumed that SF would follow the pattern of Clann na Poblachta or the PDs - flare up for a few years, then wither and collapse. Doesn't look like it's going to turn out like that for the Shinners.
But could MLM or anyone else have predicted this?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if they could have i'm sure they'd have stood more candidates
What happened to him was absolutely barbaric. Of that there is no doubt.
Nor is there any doubt that nobody local would claim to be surprised that the ongoing situation in that area, over many years, had (as they say round here) 'A bad end'.
I don't know how many 'That will all end in tears'/shaking of head conversations I heard over the preceding 5 or 6 years.
The parents are just being used.
A conversation about Paul Quinn's death - Jude Collins
Person 1: What’s all this about Paul Quinn? Who is he? Person 2: He’s a young man from South Armagh who was brutally murdered by a gang of men in 2007. Person 1: Yuck. Sounds ghastly. Person 2: Apparently it was. I could give you details but I won’t. Person 1: Thanks for that. But […]
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A conversation about Paul Quinn’s death
by Jude Collins on February 5, 2020
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Person 1: What’s all this about Paul Quinn? Who is he?
Person 2: He’s a young man from South Armagh who was brutally murdered by a gang of men in 2007.
Person 1: Yuck. Sounds ghastly.
Person 2: Apparently it was. I could give you details but I won’t.
Person 1: Thanks for that. But why is it in the news now?
Person 2: Sinn Féin’s Conor Murphy at the time asked the local IRA if they were involved and they said they weren’t.
Person 1: Did anyone else agree with him?
Person 2: Yes indeed. The Taoiseach at the time, Bertie Ahern, said he believed it was part of a criminal feud.
Person 1: Did he base this belief on anything?
Person 2: He did. Reports from from both the gardaí and the PSNI, he said, who judged it was part of a criminal feud.
Person 1: Well, that’s that, then.
Person 2: Not quite. Paul Quinn’s mother has called on Conor Murphy to apologise for suggesting her son had any criminal links, to give the names of the people he spoke to back then to the PSNI, and to resign as Finance Minister.
Person 1: Crikey. Doesn’t seem to believe Bertie, then. Or the cops.
Person 2: It appears not.
Person 1: But all this happened in 2007, you say?
Person 2: It did.
Person 1: So why this sudden attention to the case? Has it anything to do with the election coming up on Saturday?
Person 2: Pass.
Person 1: But presumably Fianna Fail and Fine Gael have scrupulously avoided making this young man’s death an election issue?
Person 2: Au contraire. They’ve been using it like there were just three days to voting day and Sinn Féin were top of the last opinion poll.
Person 1: Yuck. A bit distasteful, that.
Person 2: But not unique.
Person 1: How’d you mean?
Person 2: Well, when Martin McGuinness was running for president in 2011, a man jumped in front of the TV cameras and accused him of knowing who killed his father.
Person 1: Oh.
Person 2: And in 2014, just before voting day, Gerry Adams was arrested about the death of Jean McConville.
Person 1: Mmm. Something of a pattern emerging then.
Person 2: There were those who predicted the kitchen sink would be thrown at the Shinners this week.
Person 1: But I’m sure Leo and Micheál are purely motivated by compassion for Mrs Quinn.
Person 2: You may be right. Both men have big hearts. Which ache over carefully selected tragedies.
Person 1: So housing and health are no longer top of the agenda in this election?
Person 2: Well yes. Except Leo and Micheál and the media both sides of the border seem to have largely shelved those issues.
Person 1: So are Leo and Micheál hoping to make political capital out of this tragedy?
Person 2: What a shocking thing to say. Leo and Micheál are honourable men. As are the members of their parties. They are all honorable men. And women.
Person 1: That sounds like Shakespeare. Julius Caesar?
Person 2: Correct. Mark Antony’s speech at Caesar’s graveside. He used Caesar’s death to whip up the mob.
Person 1: But that was just a play. Not real life.
Person 2: Of course.
Person 1: Are the voters raising the Quinn case at the doorstep?
Person 2: Don’t think so. More houses and jobs and health, really.
Person 1: But Leo and Micheál are – you surely don’t mean Leo and Micheál are using this death – which happened thirteen years ago – as a way of halting Sinn Féin’s rise in the polls?
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
So Harry McGee of the IT is predicting a combined 91 seats for FFG, while the Shinners getting 28, the greens 14, while Labour will get 8. Sol/PBP down to 2, while here read it yourselves Harry McGee’s final seat prediction for Election 2020
The Big Gains for the greens I can’t really see. Nor A small gain for Labour.
So much for change.
The Big Gains for the greens I can’t really see. Nor A small gain for Labour.
So much for change.
Baronage-Phase
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rekil
to menny cranks
The last throw of the dice. From a blueshirt who voted to drown people in the med.
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Fine Gael MEP warns voters to be 'very careful of our democracy' after Auschwitz visit
A SENIOR Fine Gael MEP has referred to a recent visit to Auschwitz to warn voters that they must be "very careful of our democracy" and how they vote in this Saturday's general election.
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Idris2002
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Revolutionary Marxism & Ireland’s 2020 election - Bolshevik Tendency
Marxists recognise that capitalist parliaments represent organs of class rule that are designed to protect and advance the interests of those on top, rather than to function as vehicles for…
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Bolshies give their view.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Good to see Leon Trotsky’s Transitional Programme making a returnRevolutionary Marxism & Ireland’s 2020 election - Bolshevik Tendency
Marxists recognise that capitalist parliaments represent organs of class rule that are designed to protect and advance the interests of those on top, rather than to function as vehicles for…
Bolshies give their view.
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
Can't keep a good man down.
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
Something something lessons of history:
www.irishtimes.com
Class warfare and shadowy gunmen: How the 2020 election echoes 1932
History repeats election with government in power for decade accused of being out-of-touch
rekil
to menny cranks
Revolutionary Marxism & Ireland’s 2020 election - Bolshevik Tendency
Marxists recognise that capitalist parliaments represent organs of class rule that are designed to protect and advance the interests of those on top, rather than to function as vehicles for…
Bolshies give their view.
The looming shadow of spunkingcockism prompted the SF man here to confirm categorically that he is not a shrieking conspiraloon.
Are the National Party standing?
Yes.
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
Turning out nice again though 'A f**king disaster': Fine Gael source blasts 'D4 boys' as party set to lose 15 seats
rekil
to menny cranks
Varadkar banging on about Venezuela and East Germany again, and even more bizarrely, Trump. Utterly incoherent.
Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil need to wake up to the fact the cosy duopoly is over
For nearly 100 years, Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael have held a tight grip on political power. When one goes into government, the other goes out and bides its time on the opposition benches until its number comes up again.
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Baronage-Phase
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Sinn Fein are lying cunts
Fianna Fail are lying cunts
Fianna Gael are lying cunts
Every single politician is a lying cunt.
I'm not voting.
Sick of lies.
Fianna Fail are lying cunts
Fianna Gael are lying cunts
Every single politician is a lying cunt.
I'm not voting.
Sick of lies.
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
Standing, until we cut their legs off.
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
True to form though! One of the laziest and stupidest to sit in the Dail.
rekil
to menny cranks
Bold claims from a persistent sticky who is destined for a lost deposits battle with PBP's man.
www.meathchronicle.ie
MEATH EAST GE2020 PROFILES: The Candidates make their pitch | Meath Chronicle
There are 12 candidates contesting the General Election in Meath East. Here are their biographies submitted to the Meath Chronicle
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At least you have the choice!
Baronage-Phase
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Idris2002
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Fair play to him.Bold claims from a persistent sticky who is destined for a lost deposits battle with PBP's man.
MEATH EAST GE2020 PROFILES: The Candidates make their pitch | Meath Chronicle
There are 12 candidates contesting the General Election in Meath East. Here are their biographies submitted to the Meath Chronicle
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
Why would you anyway? Terrible cunts the lot of them.
skyscraper101
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Disappointed at the lack of comedy poster campaigns this election. Was hoping for a bit more from the likes of this fella...
And this guy
And this guy
rekil
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