Ireland election 2016

[Nigel Irritable]

Just

In P.Flynn's day the "up the local boy" factor swung things his way.

And I'm not surprised that a metrovincial such as yourself has forgotten Michael Davitt.

Believe it or not, there's a monument to a fallen International Brigade soldier at Dooeaga, on Achill island (just off the Mayo coast).

I've just noticed that there's an actual Anti-Austerity Alliance - People Before Profit candidate standing in Mayo! Some guy from Westport called Tom Doran. Probably the first time there's been a socialist on the ballot there since the heyday of the Workers Party in the 80s and possibly before?

I'm assuming he'll get a bit of a hiding, but fair play to him for standing.

 

[8den]

General Election candidate reveals he starred in two porn films 'but wasn't very good' - Independent.ie

 

[03gills]

I've always been fond of the Irish electoral system, even if the way the boundaries are drawn skews it somewhat in favour of the big three.

It's better than pure pr, as it still allows you to have a local MP, (albeit more than one) as opposed to a 'list' system which makes political parties an official part of the electoral system, which is just all sorts of wrong.

 

[8den]

I've always been fond of the Irish electoral system, even if the way the boundaries are drawn skews it somewhat in favour of the big three.

It's better than pure pr, as it still allows you to have a local MP, (albeit more than one) as opposed to a 'list' system which makes political parties an official part of the electoral system, which is just all sorts of wrong.

Except the party whip system is ridgedly enforced.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I've always been fond of the Irish electoral system, even if the way the boundaries are drawn skews it somewhat in favour of the big three.

It's better than pure pr, as it still allows you to have a local MP, (albeit more than one) as opposed to a 'list' system which makes political parties an official part of the electoral system, which is just all sorts of wrong.

I don't really like the fact that it gives individual TDs so much power and prestige. It encourages all sort of shit about candidates being from your end of the constituency or being good at manning the parish pump or being good at hail fellow well met backslapping and funeral attending. It's better than the British system, but just about anything is better than the British system. Give me a pure list system with no threshold any day. Less personalities, more policies.

 

[Casually Red]

The name is krtek. Try to remember that, when you're not too busy dreaming about what I look like.

Casually Red

You misogynistic little stain.

I randomly said the magic word " jer " ..and poof !! He appeared out of nowhere like magic . Like the genie of the lamp summoned forth against his will .
How is that possible if it's not your name ? If it's not your name then don't bite you wankstain .

 

[Casually Red]

I dunno; there's people who will never accept LV as being Irish because of his heritage. To suggest he wants to be English because of his politics... it's a bit like that "West Brit" schtick that some people use.

A west Brit is an actual thing , it's why people use it. And Varadkar is one. As is his mate Alan " Londonderry " Shatter .

 

[Casually Red]

If they could find a Cork connection for Ante Pavelic or Idi Amin they'd erect monuments to them too.

But not Michael Collins . They're still pretty ashamed of him down that neck of the woods were he was from. Hardly surprising given the fact they shot the bugger straight through the head last time he was home.

 

[redsquirrel]

When will the first exit polls start appearing? Or will there be no exit polls.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

When will the first exit polls start appearing? Or will there be no exit polls.

There's apparently one released tonight and another tomorrow. They won't actually reveal that much because of the complexities of the voting system and the strength of local and regional differences unless they differ a lot from polls earlier in the week though.

 

[8den]

When will the first exit polls start appearing? Or will there be no exit polls.

Again PR makes exit polls in ireland very unreliable. But the Irish times exit poll is due out before midnight

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Irish Times Exit poll: Fine Gael 26.1 per cent; Labour 7.8 per cent; Fianna Fail 22.9 per cent; Sinn Fein 14.9; AAA/PBP 3.6 per cent; Greens 3.5 per cent; Social Democrats 2.8 per cent; Renua 2.6 per cent; Others 16.1 per cent.

 

[danny la rouge]

 

[8den]

Someone on twitter (and Id love to remember who) described at the start of the GE campaign that the potential FF/FG coalition should be referred to as "The Aras Sure it's Grand"

 

[Nigel Irritable]

If those figures are accurate (big if - exit polls are rare in Ireland and STV is complicated), there's going to be a big problem forming a government. The only apparent option would be FG-FF and with the two parties so close in vote terms, huge parts of both parties will seriously resist coalescing.

 

[krtek a houby]

I randomly said the magic word " jer " ..and poof !! He appeared out of nowhere like magic . Like the genie of the lamp summoned forth against his will .
How is that possible if it's not your name ? If it's not your name then don't bite you wankstain .

How's about you quit fantasising about how I look; or at least keep it to yourself. That would be nice.

When people change their moniker & ask to be called by their new name, perhaps you should respect that?

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Remember also - the smaller parties, other than the Greens, did not stand in every constituency. Their votes will be higher than their national averages where they stood. Not the Greens though who stood everywhere.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

2% of the national total qualifies a party for state funding. None of the smaller parties currently get it, they all would if this is right.

 

[8den]

If those figures are accurate (big if - exit polls are rare in Ireland and STV is complicated), there's going to be a big problem forming a government. The only apparent option would be FG-FF and with the two parties so close in vote terms, huge parts of both parties will seriously resist coalescing.

I think there will be a govt of national interest that will carry on until the next budget and then we will have a new election in 2017

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Dublin figures from the Irish Times political correspondent
Fine Gael strongest at 25.4 SF just about 15. FF just below 15. Labour 9.4. AAA 7.8. GP 5 pc. Renua 4.2, SD 3.5. Others 34.9!

 

[Nigel Irritable]

That's just under 8% for the socialist left in Dublin, not counting some left wing independents and smaller parties (at least two possibly more of the independents will be elected too, so it's not an insignificant addition).

 

[krtek a houby]

A west Brit is an actual thing , it's why people use it. And Varadkar is one. As is his mate Alan " Londonderry " Shatter .

Only flag waving buffoons like you use that term. It's divisive, archaic and reeks of intolerance. Intolerance towards Irish people who don't share your myopic viewpoint and intolerance towards British people; that somehow being labelled as British should be meant as an insult.

 

[LiamO]

Cieran Perry
G'wan ya good ting ya.

 

[8den]

According to the exit poll FF may have rebounded and double its current number of seats which demonstrates a large portion of my country people are utter fucking morons...

 

[Casually Red]

Only flag waving buffoons like you use that term. It's divisive, archaic and reeks of intolerance. Intolerance towards Irish people who don't share your myopic viewpoint and intolerance towards British people; that somehow being labelled as British should be meant as an insult.

It's about people who aren't British but wish they were. And not wishing they were your average ordinary Brit but some home counties braying horse face . Such as John Bruton, who famously announced to prince Charles..on our behalf ..that he " personified what we Irish people aspire to be " .
These people exist, they are real, they are archaic , bigoted, pretentious and a fucking cancer . Which is why the insult exists to describe them . And will persist as long as this cancer exists .

 

[8den]

What CR denies is that in the entire History of the Irish state we've never elected a Left Wing govt (and no I'm not saying thats a good thing) so people like Burton are actually the majority in his country.

 

[Idris2002]

What CR denies is that in the entire History of the Irish state we've never elected a Left Wing govt (and no I'm not saying thats a good thing) so people like Burton are actually the majority in his country.

People like John Bruton are NOT the majority in Ireland. That's why FF were able to help the peace process go on to some sort of successful conclusion.

 

[Casually Red]

John Bruton was never elected Taoiseach . He inherited the post and promptly lost it . Largely ...if not totally..due to him being too much of a west Brit for even fine Gael supporters to stomach . His completely over the top prostrating himself before charles windsor and being mistakenly referred to as " John Unionist " by Albert Reynolds...and then openly declaring himself to be a proud unionist, made him a national laughing stock and a total liability .
Fine Gael support boils down primarily to conservatism , privilege and an historical familial antipathy towards Fianna Fail dating back to the civil war . Not unionism...although they've also been a home for that element too having none other to turn to in the south . But it's certainly not the bedrock of their support or anything approaching it .

 

[LiamO]

That's why his FF were able to help the peace process go on to some sort of successful conclusion.

Do you need to edit that last sentence Idris2002 ?

 

[Idris2002]

I rather think I do!