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another link to back up DJ Squelch about Bush coming to Belfast.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2512062
Hmm - just a thought, but i'd imagine Belfast is one of the safest venues in the UK/British Isles/er.. other, at the mo.
In terms of peripheral security, I'm sure this is the reason why they are flying him into Belfast.
Isn't he and Blair nervous?
AArggghh Smilies not working at the mo.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2512062
Hmm - just a thought, but i'd imagine Belfast is one of the safest venues in the UK/British Isles/er.. other, at the mo.
In terms of peripheral security, I'm sure this is the reason why they are flying him into Belfast.
Isn't he and Blair nervous?
AArggghh Smilies not working at the mo.
Ta Joe Dick for the links, especially the last. It proves the USuk haven't really thought out the next step once they depose Saddam, as in installing a semi-credible leader. At least in Afghanistan they had Hamid Karzai.
A US general in charge of administering Iraq, for anything more than a few weeks would be bound to cause huge friction in the arab world.
And this is a weird one:
Meanwhile Saddam rallies Iraqis on TV
A US general in charge of administering Iraq, for anything more than a few weeks would be bound to cause huge friction in the arab world.
And this is a weird one:
Meanwhile Saddam rallies Iraqis on TV
john x
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US: (2001) "We'll not rest until we get Osama bin Laden."
(after months of trying)
US: (2002) "Getting Osama bin Laden is not important anymore!"
US: (2002) "We'll not rest until we get Saddam Hussein."
(after months of trying)
US: (2003) "Getting Osama bin Laden is not important anymore!"
Deja vu anyone?
john x
joe dick
hardly any animals were abused or killed
Beyond Baghdad
Iraq cannot be allowed to fall apart
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,930328,00.html
In this immediate context, the idea of a retired US general, with baseball cap replacing pith helmet, calmly sitting down in Baghdad to sagely administer a united, grateful nation looks utterly absurd.
Iraq cannot be allowed to fall apart
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,930328,00.html
In this immediate context, the idea of a retired US general, with baseball cap replacing pith helmet, calmly sitting down in Baghdad to sagely administer a united, grateful nation looks utterly absurd.
joe dick
hardly any animals were abused or killed
'No way to make this look good'
Whatever America's intentions, it is sending the wrong message
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,929325,00.html
"The dispute as to the shape of postwar Iraq is ... a battle between the cynicism which so often characterises foreign and defence policy, and the idealism which is the only way the world can be changed for the better ...
What is won on the battlefield can be lost entirely thereafter if the countries attacked are not turned into better and safer places. Unfortunately, while America is very likely to win in the first, it is in grave danger of systematically losing the second.
"The Bush administration seems determined to convince cynics their worst fantasies are real.
"Reports that the Bush administration is moving aggressively toward unilateral control of the reconstruction of Iraq reflects a hubris that sets a troubled course both for US foreign policy and for the future of Iraq ...
"The US must face up to anti-US sentiments in the Arab world. To ensure that these negative sentiments don't stand in the way of securing the peace, the US will have to reduce its visibility and put together a multinational coalition of European and Arab allies who can help to rebuild and govern Iraq until such time the Iraqis themselves are in a position to take over. Unfortunately, there are no signs that the US is thinking or has any plans along these lines so far ...
Whatever America's intentions, it is sending the wrong message
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,929325,00.html
"The dispute as to the shape of postwar Iraq is ... a battle between the cynicism which so often characterises foreign and defence policy, and the idealism which is the only way the world can be changed for the better ...
What is won on the battlefield can be lost entirely thereafter if the countries attacked are not turned into better and safer places. Unfortunately, while America is very likely to win in the first, it is in grave danger of systematically losing the second.
"The Bush administration seems determined to convince cynics their worst fantasies are real.
"Reports that the Bush administration is moving aggressively toward unilateral control of the reconstruction of Iraq reflects a hubris that sets a troubled course both for US foreign policy and for the future of Iraq ...
"The US must face up to anti-US sentiments in the Arab world. To ensure that these negative sentiments don't stand in the way of securing the peace, the US will have to reduce its visibility and put together a multinational coalition of European and Arab allies who can help to rebuild and govern Iraq until such time the Iraqis themselves are in a position to take over. Unfortunately, there are no signs that the US is thinking or has any plans along these lines so far ...
we have all read this before and I will re-itterate (sp?)
Please leave this for news...not personal battles...do it some-else!!!
Collectively, we (U75) can debate...but this thread is for news...not commentary!!!
Yes, I am as guilty as anyone else.
Joe Dick....pm
Wiz...read the threads and will now continue on the appropriate threads.
AND NOW that our fingers have been slapped....Please....only use this thread for updates!!!!
Please leave this for news...not personal battles...do it some-else!!!
Collectively, we (U75) can debate...but this thread is for news...not commentary!!!
Yes, I am as guilty as anyone else.
Joe Dick....pm
Wiz...read the threads and will now continue on the appropriate threads.
AND NOW that our fingers have been slapped....Please....only use this thread for updates!!!!
US troops are said to be "in the center of Baghdad".
Lots of small arms fire, as well as larger explosions are being reported.
Lots of small arms fire, as well as larger explosions are being reported.
Following the same pattern as before (for example with the airport) the Pentagon claims it has taken areas well before they have. Presumably part of their PsyOps. But it does appear they're in the centre, or at least very near...
on the BBC they're saying it was probably an initial probing manoeuvre and not having encountered much resistance they are now moving larger amounts of forces into Baghdad
PS sub I can't see anything wrong with a bit of commentary or analysis, as long as it doesn't degenerate into flames
(edited for hideous typos)
on the BBC they're saying it was probably an initial probing manoeuvre and not having encountered much resistance they are now moving larger amounts of forces into Baghdad
PS sub I can't see anything wrong with a bit of commentary or analysis, as long as it doesn't degenerate into flames
(edited for hideous typos)
Tubthumper
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Iraqi information minister claims on state TV that the Republican Guard are in full control of Saddam International Airport
Tubthumper
thumps tubs
how do you know its bollocks ?
Looks like trigger-happy xenophobes of the US Marines just slaughtered some more women and children at a checkpoint.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=394173
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=394173
Tubthumper
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Wonder if they're the same ones handing out the 'we've come to liberate you' leaflets ?
joe dick
hardly any animals were abused or killed
Marine officer relieved of his command
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,930304,00.html
Col Dowdy's unit had been involved in battles earlier this week, pushing across the Tigris River to the south-east of Baghdad.
http://www.cpp.usmc.mil/1mardiv/1MarReg/co.htm
http://news.google.com/news?q=+colonel+dowdy&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nn
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,930304,00.html
Col Dowdy's unit had been involved in battles earlier this week, pushing across the Tigris River to the south-east of Baghdad.
http://www.cpp.usmc.mil/1mardiv/1MarReg/co.htm
http://news.google.com/news?q=+colonel+dowdy&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=nn
Because it was announced by the Iraqi Minister for Information, perhaps?
joe dick
hardly any animals were abused or killed
you decide
http://www.borsaitalia.it/fwa-cgi-b...he war - 1033 GMT&type=internazionali&ling=IT
NEWS - DAY 17 OF THE WAR
* U.S. military says "significant number" of troops battle
into heart of Baghdad; Iraq says "everything okay" in capital
* No U.S. troops visible in central, southern Baghdad
* Iraq says retakes Baghdad airport killing several U.S.
troops; U.S. officers say still control airport, under heavy
artillery fire
bbc:
1000: Western correspondents attached to the US mechanised infantry division at Baghdad airport say heavy fighting has been taking place as units move against Iraqi defenders on the highways leading to south-west Baghdad.
washington post:
Officials at Central Command said that when they spoke of the "center of the city," they did not mean that U.S. troops had reached downtown Baghdad, but that they had crossed the city limits into Baghdad proper.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33016-2003Apr5.html
The BBC's Andrew Gilligan in Baghdad says the US has a history of premature claims in this conflict and that it is clearly in the American interest to create psychological momentum in the hope that the defenders will give up.
http://www.borsaitalia.it/fwa-cgi-b...he war - 1033 GMT&type=internazionali&ling=IT
NEWS - DAY 17 OF THE WAR
* U.S. military says "significant number" of troops battle
into heart of Baghdad; Iraq says "everything okay" in capital
* No U.S. troops visible in central, southern Baghdad
* Iraq says retakes Baghdad airport killing several U.S.
troops; U.S. officers say still control airport, under heavy
artillery fire
bbc:
1000: Western correspondents attached to the US mechanised infantry division at Baghdad airport say heavy fighting has been taking place as units move against Iraqi defenders on the highways leading to south-west Baghdad.
washington post:
Officials at Central Command said that when they spoke of the "center of the city," they did not mean that U.S. troops had reached downtown Baghdad, but that they had crossed the city limits into Baghdad proper.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33016-2003Apr5.html
The BBC's Andrew Gilligan in Baghdad says the US has a history of premature claims in this conflict and that it is clearly in the American interest to create psychological momentum in the hope that the defenders will give up.
Tubthumper
thumps tubs
FFs - you don't 'know' its bollocks - you think it is ! You think our reporting is correct, but often its boolocks aswell. Lets not debate it here - this is the news thread. The Iraqi minister 'claims' that the airport is in their hands - that is true.
Interesting collection of the Arab press's reaction from BBC Caversham
(sorry if I offended, tubthumper)
(sorry if I offended, tubthumper)
Reuters are reporting a sucide attack on Baghdad Airport. No details yet.
I'm quite happy for you to be "right" so long as the Coalition quickly mops Baghdad up.
Silly billy.
Edited to add some news. 200 bodies, apparently dating from 1991 found near Basra.
DJ Squelch
King Of Insides
A Sky news report on those bodies found in southern Iraq.
"The remains, including bundles of bone in strips of military uniform, were found in an abandoned Iraqi military base on the outskirts of Az Zubayr.
A neighbouring building reportedly contained catalogues of photographs of the dead, most of whom had died from gunshot wounds to the head.
A reporter from the PA news agency at the scene described what appeared to be a "purpose-built shooting gallery" outside.
A tiled plinth, about a foot high, stood in a courtyard and the brickwork behind it was riddled with bullets.
Behind it was a drainage ditch."
Why would the Iraqi's keep the bodies, if they are soldiers executed for desertion?
"The remains, including bundles of bone in strips of military uniform, were found in an abandoned Iraqi military base on the outskirts of Az Zubayr.
A neighbouring building reportedly contained catalogues of photographs of the dead, most of whom had died from gunshot wounds to the head.
A reporter from the PA news agency at the scene described what appeared to be a "purpose-built shooting gallery" outside.
A tiled plinth, about a foot high, stood in a courtyard and the brickwork behind it was riddled with bullets.
Behind it was a drainage ditch."
Why would the Iraqi's keep the bodies, if they are soldiers executed for desertion?
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