' I Was Wrong ' .....

[Raheem]

I don't even care.

So keep it to yourself.

 

[RD2003]

So keep it to yourself.

Ok. Can you come here and give me some more advice on how to live? I think I might need it. I'll pay your train fare. Or, thinking about it, maybe half.

 

[Raheem]

Ok. Can you come here and give me some more advice on how to live? I think I might need it. I'll pay your train fare. Or, thinking about it, maybe half.

I'm just an amateur, not properly trained. Sorry.

 

[RD2003]

I'm just an amateur, not properly trained. Sorry.

No worries. I knew you were.

 

[redsquirrel]

Probably need to update this thread too.

 

[Grandma Death]

What I have against people like Owen Jones is not the fact they are humanly fallible. It's that they should have known better than to collude with an establishment they decry in books and columns even if they, like me, sometimes lose their faith in human nature.

Im not convinced sorry. There is a difference between actively and knowingly colluding with the establishment and voicing an opinion that HAPPENS to chime in with those of that establishment.

His timing of said articles was arguably poorly timed but again I think he in no way knowingly colluded with the establishment

 

[bendeus]

Im not convinced sorry. There is a difference between actively and knowingly colluding with the establishment and voicing an opinion that HAPPENS to chime in with those of that establishment.

His timing of said articles was arguably poorly timed but again I think he in no way knowingly colluded with the establishment

Owen Smith?

 

[Grandma Death]

Owen Smith?

Jones

 

[RD2003]

Im not convinced sorry. There is a difference between actively and knowingly colluding with the establishment and voicing an opinion that HAPPENS to chime in with those of that establishment.

His timing of said articles was arguably poorly timed but again I think he in no way knowingly colluded with the establishment

It's about careers. Careers, that's all. Anything might happen politically, and they might not like it. But the career will be intact.

 

[bendeus]

Jones

Jones came out in favour of blatant establishment member, Smith.

E2A: dunno if that represents 'collusion' but it sure as hell walks like it and quacks like it

 

[cantsin]

OJ, putting in the work now- will end up on the right side of history if it kills him :

 

[cantsin]

" shout out to me and my fellow backsliders "

 

[frogwoman]

Yeah I'm fully willing to admit I didn't think he could do it at all, I thought he wasn't a greatly charismatic figure and I still have problems with some of his views and his past associations and appearances on presstv and the like, totally understand not voting labour cos of that as well as other reservations to have about them. Like Corbyn saying he liked reading the Canary lol. I decided to vote labour only a few weeks before the actual election and was torn between it and not voting at all.

However I didn't fully appreciate what the corbynistas were going on about, the extent to which some of the stuff about him was blown out of all proportion so some Tory supporters were saying shit like 'a vote for labour under corbyn is like voting for Hitler' and trying to smear anyone thinking about voting for them. Really nasty shit.

 

[cantsin]

this piece of upper class drek might need his own thread :

 

[not-bono-ever]

I held my nose and voted. Pointless but it was doing something rather than nothing, some kind of way of venting my furious rage. and an excuse to sit up all night with my Stoli and shout at the telly. As frogwoman mentioned - the bullying and dirty tactics from the rich scum was too much

 

[MochaSoul]

Im not convinced sorry. There is a difference between actively and knowingly colluding with the establishment and voicing an opinion that HAPPENS to chime in with those of that establishment.

His timing of said articles was arguably poorly timed but again I think he in no way knowingly colluded with the establishment

It was bad enough for him to help destabilise the leadership as far as I am concerned but okay... say that he felt compelled to, for someone with a "foot in the movement" and who's also au fait with the big money bubble and the way it operates, did he really have to do it from the Guardian and Twitter???.
And then didn't propose an alternative in the same line as Corbyn's when he "lost faith" in the leadership. He jumped straight from Corbyn to someone who backed big pharma. He outed himself there and then.

OJ, putting in the work now- will end up on the right side of history if it kills him :

It's hard for me, among other things, to see that as more than the opportunism of someone who has never actually taken the maxim "from the bottom up" seriously.

 

[cantsin]

It was bad enough for him to help destabilise the leadership as far as I am concerned but okay... say that he felt compelled to, for someone with a "foot in the movement" and who's also au fait with the big money bubble and the way it operates, did he really have to do it from the Guardian and Twitter???.
And then didn't propose an alternative in the same line as Corbyn's when he "lost faith" in the leadership. He jumped straight from Corbyn to someone who backed big pharma. He outed himself there and then.

tbf to OJ, whilst he lost his bottle re: Corbo, did he ever back the laughable Smith ?

 

[eoin_k]

He claimed to like Smith, which is pretty damning in itself, before grudgingly backing Corbyn.

 

[killer b]

He didn't explictly back Smith, but he called for a change of leadership when Smith was the only option available iirc. So, sort of.

I think he just lost his nerve. He's worked hard to make up for it the last month or so though - his wasn't an election night mea culpa.

 

[MochaSoul]

From the bottom up. The bottom were all for Jeremy and I'm not talking about Momentum.

 

[cantsin]

this plonker at the times is FURIOUSLY backpeddalling...no doubt deleting his dire diatribes vs Corbo etc, and now trying this on for size...lolz

 

[planetgeli]

Give me Gary Younge any time over Owen Jones.

Certainly.

We were told Corbyn was ‘unelectable’. Then came the surge | Gary Younge

“The ideas of the ruling class,” Karl Marx pointed out, “are in every epoch the ruling ideas.” That’s how a man who talked with Sinn Féin (a strategy that stood the test of time) can be constantly interrogated about his support for “terrorism” while a woman who joined a party that branded Nelson Mandela a terrorist is never asked about her support for Apartheid.

 

[frogwoman]

A mate of mine voted for Owen Smith but when Corbs got back in again and especially when they started doing well in the polls got quite upset at labour centrists trying to undermine him.

 

[cantsin]

He didn't explictly back Smith, but he called for a change of leadership when Smith was the only option available iirc. So, sort of.

I think he just lost his nerve. He's worked hard to make up for it the last month or so though - his wasn't an election night mea culpa.

fair enough.....pretty unimpressive, but not quite terminal

 

[cantsin]

A mate of mine voted for Owen Smith but when Corbs got back in again and especially when they started doing well in the polls got quite upset at labour centrists trying to undermine him.

it's hard to feel too generous spirited towards those that suddenly perked up when the polls started to rise ( 4 weeks out ) , especially with the squalid DUP now lording it , due to 10 seat difference

 

[MochaSoul]

Certainly.

We were told Corbyn was ‘unelectable’. Then came the surge | Gary Younge

Gary Younge has been consistent in his support of Corbyn. I sometimes wish we in the left had a bit more of the ruthlessness of the right. Sentimentality is, very often, a drag.

 

[frogwoman]

Sure but if he's sensible Corbs will keep a lid on any labour infighting for the next six months at least or at least keep it away from the cameras.

 

[MochaSoul]

Sure but if he's sensible Corbs will keep a lid on any labour infighting for the next six months at least or at least keep it away from the cameras.

Corbs is already showing his political skill with Campbell, Ummunna, Cooper et all. See how he' getting on with presenting a government programme rather than yield to calls to "reshuffle the shadow cabinet" or "putting Brexit ahead" of everything else.

and all the while keeping a zen aura. This is only the start.

 

[planetgeli]

I sometimes wish we in the left had a bit more of the ruthlessness of the right.

Ruthlessness and entitlement are on the syllabus at Eton and Harrow.

 

[MochaSoul]

it's hard to feel too generous spirited towards those that suddenly perked up when the polls started to rise ( 4 weeks out ) , especially with the squalid DUP now lording it , due to 10 seat difference

It's not just that they took a while to wake up. At some point we were no more than a bunch of loonies and cultists.