' I Was Wrong ' .....

[Ted Striker]

Jess Phillips' sorry not sorry is in

We all of us need to eat a slice of that humble pie

For someone who (to the point of criticism) was collaborative and consultative in his decision/policy making...Corbyn the Dictator is quite a strawman.

 

[cantsin]

I think it might be fair to at least take a Owen Jones view - Corbyn pre-makeover made things very difficult.

He changed. He softened (for example) the Nuclear issue (quite brilliantly/admirably to maintain his integrity) and worked on his delivery. Something changed with him.

(One thing I'll be keen to see is PMQ's. He was getting bullied week in week out. No one wants to see that from their leader)

There's a fair few revisionists sneering at the non-believers (not the politicians - hang the PLP traitors ofc), taking the view "I knew all along he would come good and perform one of the biggest upsets in modern political polling". With many, at best it was a refusal to criticise him because he was the best of a bad bunch (and not a Blairite) and "fuck voting, the government always wins" so the hypothesized annihilation of Labour was almost welcome (with the added benefit of pining it on some revenge for the Blair years/Influence).

The nonsense that Corbyn was bullied at PMQs each week was a media / PlP w*nkers construct - it didn't take much to watch some of it and see through it.

And The idea " he changed " is the bollocks being pedalled by back-pedalling backsliders all over the shop - there was no makeover - yr one step away from Ben Goldacres " yeah, but he listened to us, and put on a suit' .

There are global socio economic tectonic plates shifting slowly here, with Corbyns comparative electoral success an indicator of it - it's not about parliamentary punch n Judy shows or imagined ' changes in delivery / tone ' .

 

[Ted Striker]

Everyone lost their nerve in the last few days. Everyone.

The public mood definitely deflated about 3 days before IMO - It peaked maybe just before the Question Time on the Friday.

The terror attacks and the MSM running the bonkers yet unchallenged triumphant "The lady who's been home secretary for a recent 7 years is NOW going to sort out terrorism" was a real deflation. And then the Sun/Mail front pages on Wed/Thur.

 

[Ted Striker]

The nonsense that Corbyn was bullied at PMQs each week was a media / PlP w*nkers construct - it didn't take much to watch some of it and see through it.

And The idea " he changed " is the bollocks being pedalled by back-pedalling backsliders all over the shop - there was no makeover - yr one step away from Ben Goldacres " yeah, but he listened to us, and put on a suit' .

There are global socio economic tectonic plates shifting slowly here, with Corbyns comparative electoral success an indicator of it - it's not about parliamentary punch n Judy shows or imagined ' changes in delivery' from high visibility individuals .

He was IMO. I watch them every week. It just is/wasn't his theatre. May has a genuine evil streak I'm amazed she's not picked up on, and of course she's got the more vocal braying dickheads behind her, so she always controls the proceedings (and of course JC wasn't similarly backed up by the PLP).

 

[Knotted]

Everyone lost their nerve in the last few days. Everyone.

Except Survation.

 

[existentialist]

I suspect that something that is going to become more apparent as the story of the campaign is written is the influence of organisers from the Sanders campaign. This influence is really evident in the improvement in media output, the snappiness of the rhetoric from Corbyn and others and the role of youth canvassers.

But he had to be able to deliver that rhetoric...and he has shown he can: "Look at me. I've got youth on my side."

 

[Plumdaff]

Everyone lost their nerve in the last few days. Everyone.

Psychological defence wasn't it. It was going to hurt and after recent electoral surprises everyone felt the need to prepare themselves. I was more nervous at the countdown to the exit poll than I ever remember being before.

 

[FiFi]

Me.

I never got round to converting my "associate" membership of the party to full membership. And I was still considering voting tactically until the last week.

 

[cantsin]

Tactical voting often tempting looking option : Lab doubled vote here in N Devon, and those 7k votes would have unseated our execrable Tory ,+ put Nick Harvey back in for LibDems - but then if Lab keep on doubling vote ( not unthinkable), theyre 2 elections away from winning seat, so totally agree with logic of non tactical ( not to even mention what happened when Harvey last won - was in a Tory coalition cabinet within weeks ).

 

[Sirena]

Does the Guardian need to apologize as a paper?

Dump the Guardian!

 

[SpookyFrank]

Labour's Owen Smith: 'I was wrong about Jeremy Corbyn' - BBC News

Hands up who had already forgotten that Owen Smith was a thing?

 

[cantsin]

Does the Guardian need to apologize as a paper?

Dump the Guardian!

Top find, nice one

Am going to try and dig out Jonathan jones , Hadley Freeman and Marina Hyde pieces

 

[cantsin]

Not strictly within remit of thread, but think a few of these will do no harm :

 

[SpookyFrank]

Does the Guardian need to apologize as a paper?

Dump the Guardian!

Every time I read one of those 'support guardian journalism' footers I'm gonna just email them that link.

 

[jakethesnake]

Psychological defence wasn't it. It was going to hurt and after recent electoral surprises everyone felt the need to prepare themselves. I was more nervous at the countdown to the exit poll than I ever remember being before.

Yup. I spent Thursday coming to terms with the fact of a Labour wipeout and sat down to listen to the exit poll already feeling resigned and thoroughly depressed. Which of course made the subsequent mood swing all the more pronounced and ensured I got almost no sleep that night!

 

[DotCommunist]

when making excuses for mays shitshow and why none of them saw it coming on sunday bollotix this bloke said something telling 'we know theresa may, we've lunched with her, met her, the general public met her and met a maybot'

westminster bubble lol

 

[treelover]

Good selection here:
Crawling back to Corbyn: The Labour rebels eating their words after benefiting from Jeremy Corbyn's popularity

They've got three outs:
1) It was about rejecting (hard) Brexit
2) It was due to the Tory's/May's failures
3) Labour still lost it

The poor performance of the LibDems and strong performance of the Tories (despite everything) put 1) & 2) to rest and the situation is much more interesting and volatile than a simple Labour loss. They are basically dividing into realists (eg. Chukka Ummuna) and lunatics (eg. Chris Leslie).

Really enjoying Yvette Cooper's pitch for shadow home secretary, though.

Good selection here:
Crawling back to Corbyn: The Labour rebels eating their words after benefiting from Jeremy Corbyn's popularity

They've got three outs:
1) It was about rejecting (hard) Brexit
2) It was due to the Tory's/May's failures
3) Labour still lost it

The poor performance of the LibDems and strong performance of the Tories (despite everything) put 1) & 2) to rest and the situation is much more interesting and volatile than a simple Labour loss. They are basically dividing into realists (eg. Chukka Ummuna) and lunatics (eg. Chris Leslie).

Really enjoying Yvette Cooper's pitch for shadow home secretary, though.

While I think that JC had to widen his Shadow Cabinet, I am very uneasy about Yvette Cooper being invited back in.

She is the former Employment Secretary who invited ATOS to undertake the brutal medical tests, created the Kafkaesque 'invisible wheelchair' test(Google it) and generally created a much more unpleasant regime at the DWP which meant misery and fear for disabled and sick people. Then, what will happen to fantastic Shadow Ministers(and real people) like Angela Raynor and Rebecca Long Bailey? Are they going to be thrown under a bus to make way for the 'moderates' etc.

 

[belboid]

While I think that JC had to widen his Shadow Cabinet, I am very uneasy about Yvette Cooper being invited back in.

She is the former Employment Secretary who invited ATOS to undertake the brutal medical tests, created the Kafkaesque 'invisible wheelchair' test(Google it) and generally created a much more unpleasant regime at the DWP which meant misery and fear for disabled and sick people. Then, what will happen to fantastic Shadow Ministers(and real people) like Angela Raynor and Rebecca Long Bailey? Are they going to be thrown under a bus to make way for the 'moderates' etc.

He should invite your mates in the DUP in

 

[Raheem]

Everyone lost their nerve in the last few days. Everyone.

Not me. Honestly.

 

[cantsin]

stop the interweb, I'm done....

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

No apology from James O'Brien on LBC on Friday. For the past two years the sneery fuckwit's been joyfully saying the Corbyn supporters believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden. And Friday, "Well, well, well..." is all he could manage. Posh twat can find himself against the wall for a spot of terror once Corbs is in #10.

 

[treelover]

belboid

Funny how the promotion of identity politics only seems to apply to some minorities but not others.

 

[belboid]

belboid

Funny how the promotion of identity politics only seems to apply to some minorities but not others.

Come back when you are capable of making sense.

 

[ska invita]

doesnty really say I Was Wrong, but that Margaret Beckett interview on election night was a highlight of the night...squirm away!! weasel mouthedness comes no more weaselly

 

[crossthebreeze]

While I think that JC had to widen his Shadow Cabinet, I am very uneasy about Yvette Cooper being invited back in.

She is the former Employment Secretary who invited ATOS to undertake the brutal medical tests, created the Kafkaesque 'invisible wheelchair' test(Google it) and generally created a much more unpleasant regime at the DWP which meant misery and fear for disabled and sick people. Then, what will happen to fantastic Shadow Ministers(and real people) like Angela Raynor and Rebecca Long Bailey? Are they going to be thrown under a bus to make way for the 'moderates' etc.

I agree that Yyvette Cooper is a despicable wanker for the reasons you outlined, but she hasn't been "invited back in" to the Shadow Cabinet by Corbyn. All thats happened is that the Telegraph has quoted "sources close to Yvette Cooper" as saying she would "consider" being shadow home secretary if it was offered to her (not just a role in the Shadow Cabinet, Shadow Home Secretary ffs!). Its a load of rubbish.

 

[cantsin]

AKA : "we're f*cked but am desperately trying to get non MSM writers on board, asap"

 

[cantsin]

Anyone who knows Bloodworths schtick will understand why I'm having to lay off all this soon, just to keep it together :

 

[Grandma Death]

I was wrong. I rejoined cause of Corbyn. Voted twice for him. But along with his polling numbers and the way he handled the triggering of A50 (which I still think was wrong) led me to call for him to step down before they get hammered at a general election and the right seize back control and say 'we told you so'

To be honest-Ive never in my entire life, been so happy to be proven wrong.

 

[cantsin]

Yeuch



Try + imagine the front needed to post this after 2 yrs of incessant attacks on Corbyn /. Supporters ( and as a proud member of Institute of Directors )

 

[cantsin]

Helen Lewis in happier, more assured times : needs to be read in full, a beaut :

The echo chamber of social media is luring the left into cosy delusion and dangerous insularity