redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Good piece, thanks for the link.
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andysays
Love and solidarity
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Plastic Paddy
It's made me want to read the book but I'm not sure I want to buy it.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I had the misfortune to read David Lammy's Progressive Realism which Judah is alleged to have written . It attempts to set out a 'new ' British foreign policy ,it's utterly depressing in its self delusion.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Get family or friends to get if for you for Xmas ,you can read it in your local Brewdog tavern.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
As an immigrant that grew up in London. That rejected the religion enforced upon me by government. To infact turn to the religion that I was told was terrorist. By terrorists. I reject the middle class wanky aspirations of this twats mum.
Fuck him. I hope he got happy slapped once.
Fuck him. I hope he got happy slapped once.
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Plastic Paddy
I had seven Audible credits stacked-up, so I've used one of those. Doesn't feel like real money.
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Plastic Paddy
I'm struggling to decipher this, but what religion did the government force upon you?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Jake Wallis Simons will snap him up as a staff writer for the JC. Just wait and see.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
CoE? Daily assembly as mandated by law.
vinba
Member
He already writes complete garbage for The Atlantic
LakieLady
Well-Known Member
I look forward to hearing that he's being fired from his job for his racist views....
but I won't be holding my breath.
Starmer's more likely to give him a seat in the Lords, for services to xenophobia or something.
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Plastic Paddy
The government didn't force you to be a Christian though did they? You could have chosen to be something else. There's no religious police making you wear silly clothes, or cultural pressure to pray or attend church.
90% of the families of kids I grew up with simply ignored all that.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Though that's basically correct, there very much is pressure on state school pupils to attend daily Christian acts of collective worship, which is pretty close to being forced to attend a place of worship.
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Plastic Paddy
Hardly an issue though is it?
Our entire family are Sikh, and the kids have all attended state schools for at least 30 years without the slightest problem.
Nobody is forced to be religious by the government. That's nonsense.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Nepo racists who went to Oxford. Every. Fucking. Time.
Despite the phrase (in an otherwise excellent article in The Londoner) "it's hard to know exactly how this book came about"...it's not. It's really not.
LakieLady
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Kids from other religions were allowed to skip it at my secondary school. They'd come in after the hymns and prayers for the announcements and stuff.
I tried to get out of attending on the grounds of my claiming my atheism, but they wouldn't have it.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
same arrangement at the secondary school i went to. i don't know if a letter from parent was needed, or a letter from religious leader of whatever type to confirm they were practising whatever religion
they were also allowed to sit at the back and read / do homework during religious education
don't remember anything like that at primary school, although also don't remember any kids that were obviously from other religions. the demographics of the southern end of lewisham borough have changed a bit in the (oh heck) 40+ years since i was at primary school...
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Plastic Paddy
We just chucked paper planes and drew on the desktops.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Exactly. In my primary school there were 3 kids that God to sit out of assembly due to the invocation the wrong sky pixie.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I agree that most young people who are subject to this daily, state imposed "broadly Christian" act of worship seem able to ignore and shrug off the indoctrination. But, that doesn't mean it's not an issue that deserves concern. There are plenty of people who would prefer there to be no school based acts of worship. If parents insist on inculcating supernatural beliefs in their children, there are plenty of organised opportunities outside of schools where that could be undertaken.
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And lunch time. We had a couple of Plymouth Bretherin kids who'd eat lunch away from everyone else. Fuck knows what they had in their sandwhiches...
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Religion should be treated similar to smoking. You should have to be 18 years old before being allowed to participate in it, and it should never be allowed in a public area.
I'd also add a consensuality clause.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I'm fully behind children learning about supernatural belief systems as part of cultural education, but worship...that's a firm No from me.
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Plastic Paddy
I agree; or do it at home. Of course there are people who would prefer there to be no religion in schools at all but I'd contend that hard-core atheists who it really upsets are in a minority, and you can't please everyone. Most couldn't give a toss one way or the other about minor religious tokenism that can easily be ignored or avoided and atheists shouldn't be pandered to any more than religionists.
That's by the by though. The original assertion was that the government here enforces religion upon people, which is pure bollocks, made all the more laughable by the poster then suggesting he's turned to what's been labelled by others 'the religion of terrorism'. If we assume that's Islam, it most certainly IS enforced by many governments, some extremely brutally.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
I often wonder how much further progressed the world would be without religion... if everyone realised they only had one go on the merry-go-round, with no plan B. If shit happening wasn't God's will, but something we were responsible for, would fewer shits happen.
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