Hundreds of workers protest against Italians/Foreigners 'taking jobs'...
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muppet .. and don't fuck about with qoutes ..
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
stop trying to derail your own thread ya daft twat
so on what basis SHOULD jobs be allocated?
- at the moment allocation is by the neo lib eral companies involved .. and they recruit globally
- the unions/locals are demanding union input and local recruitment
so what PRACTICALLY do you propose???
-that ALL jobs in this country are advertised from Derry to Donetsk?
-that there should be a qouta of non UK citizens in all jobs/ workplaces to be 'fair' and internationalist and non divisive??
your position practically makes NO sense
Spion
I hear ya
With that in mind I'm looking forward now to assessing:
a) the results of the strike, how they match up to the strikers' demands and how those compare to what socialists should/did argue for in such a case. I'll get onto this myself in the next day or two.
b) the effectiveness of the Socialist Party's presence at the heart of the dispute. Perhaps you could kick us off there with an explanation of what the SP argued for on the strike cttee, which arguments it won and which it lost. Which of the strike's demands were the SP's and which did it try to change and fail?
I'm keen to hear how the SP 'made those theories relevant'.
spot on
Free The Peeps
thanks TL dear lord and here i was thinking this issue had started to get people to talk about the time bomb the race to the bottom is creating still i have only been on indymedia once and it was pretty obvious that there concept of people is basically borgy borgyBB .. MC5 clearly came out, yesterday, in clear support of the strike and against the position of the swpor to put it another way:
he held an opinion, was told it wasn't the right one, and 'corrected' it
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( 5 days late but better late than never .. he always said he was thinking about it .. spion clearly opposes )
i would like to think it can be generalised into an attack on all the neo liberal Uk and EU labour changes of the last few years
well when you look around urban these days are you really suprised that left leaning workers might find themselves isolated ?
exactly so insecure middleclass galloway wannabes take note
Talkie Toaster
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treelover, you seem quite reluctant to address uncomfortable questions..
I'll repeat again:
What part of that article do you think attacks the strikers?
If you can't answer this time I'll just assume you either didn't read the article or assumed that no-one here would ...
I'll repeat again:
Don't forget to answer the question that both cantsin & I asked you a few pages ago.
What part of that article do you think attacks the strikers?
If you can't answer this time I'll just assume you either didn't read the article or assumed that no-one here would ...
audiotech
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BB .. MC5 clearly came out, yesterday, in clear support of the strike and against the position of the swp
( 5 days late but better late than never .. he always said he was thinking about it .. spion clearly opposes )
Get a grip.
It's not as though anyone involved in the strike (anyone at all even) gives a fuck about what is thought and said here, despite brassicritique thinking otherwise.
Just like to say, I've been falling the strike and the thread but I haven't much to add. Others have said what I would say much better than I would have. Its terrible to see unemployed workers being overlooked by tight-arsed management and its great to see an organised response. Its gone better than I could have hoped.
treelover, you seem quite reluctant to address uncomfortable questions..
I'll repeat again:
Don't forget to answer the question that both cantsin & I asked you a few pages ago.
What part of that article do you think attacks the strikers?
If you can't answer this time I'll just assume you either didn't read the article or assumed that no-one here would ...
1) the article assumes the strike is nationalist/racist when it is not
2) it brings in, idiotically, Mosley and the NF forcing asian out of jobs when these things are almost totally irrelevent
3)it says there has been an attempt to play the race card .. there has NOT
4) it says 'but what is less clear is why the unions .. .. have focused their attention on foreign workers..' when this is simply NOT true!!! and then responds to this false story!!
5) it says workers should demand equal wages etc .. as if they are NOT .. when clearly they are
so all in all the SWP have dishonestly created a lie of this dispute and then responded with their crass cliched anti racism when it is entirely unneccessary
what these workers in the first major anti neo liberal dispute need is simple support at this stage ..
the SWP position is a fucking disgrace
snadge
metal alchemist
agreed.
They were trying to collect political gain and it has blown up in their faces, typical MC swappie tactics
Talkie Toaster
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I didn't ask you, but thanks for your input. I disagree with most of your points anyway as I'm sure will anyone who reads it without twisting the words to suite their own little games.
Get a grip.
It's not as though anyone involved in the strike (anyone at all even) gives a fuck about what is thought and said here, despite brassicritique thinking otherwise.
Actually the issue the strike has raised has gone beyond the strike and you know that wannabe political movers and shakers visist these boards you donkey shite still thats all you ever do is attack non middle class posters as per usual
no suprise there then looking around the snobish menatality on these boards
i honestly answered your questions and your reply with snide comment .. IF you disagree with what i wrote please say why
yes you answered posters questions however with regards to his other point poor innocent durruti2
Talkie Toaster
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None of your points actually address the question I asked. 
Seems that you just want to see what you want to so you can witter on about the SWP. I read the article as a way of moving the debate away from "British Jobs for British Workers", which many can see the downsides of, on to a more concrete footing of the bosses fucking over all the workers regardless of nationality. It managed to do this without attacking the workers as far as I could tell.
... I'd still like to hear treelovers response to the question posed ... but he/she seems to somewhat disappear whenever I post it up again.
e2a: I'm not some kind of SWP fan, but I read the article and felt that treelover's posting of was unrepresentative of my reading of the same article - hence why I asked him to clarify.
It does not.
Not irrelevant, just pointing out that the slogan used by Brown was also used by some pretty dodgy characters.
This is clearly a reference to the paragraph above and not aimed at the strikers.
The article is somewhat unclear here as it contradicts itself a few paragraphs down. Still, this is not an "attack" on the strikers.
Just because they're saying that workers should demand this, the implication that they are not is only in your mind.
Seems that you just want to see what you want to so you can witter on about the SWP. I read the article as a way of moving the debate away from "British Jobs for British Workers", which many can see the downsides of, on to a more concrete footing of the bosses fucking over all the workers regardless of nationality. It managed to do this without attacking the workers as far as I could tell.
... I'd still like to hear treelovers response to the question posed ... but he/she seems to somewhat disappear whenever I post it up again.
e2a: I'm not some kind of SWP fan, but I read the article and felt that treelover's posting of was unrepresentative of my reading of the same article - hence why I asked him to clarify.
Oh stop lying
audiotech
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audiotech
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The employers taking the piss.
tangentlama
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Wanted to post this, due to misrepresentation of Spion's stance.
Plus, if the Kenny in that BBC interview, is Kenny Ward the Unite shop steward, then he's successfully managed to move on from the LJFLW stance and encapsulate the real cause of the redundancies and sub-sub-contract undercutting in his latest speech, which means these guys can stand a real chance of changing the situation both here in UK and in the rest of Europe.
I'm sure now that other Unions in Europe won't find this refined position 'Ugly' as the CGIL initially did, and still have hope for a cross-europe, multi-Union solidarity to confront these issues full-on, because this is only a small victory, and the beginning of a long fight to change working practices of these contract/agencies.
elbows
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So does the fact that wildcat strikes spread and seem to have gotten some sort of result, change the balance of power in this country a little?
Was capital & friends very happy with the anti-union anti-strike laws that have ben brought in over the decades, but are now facing up to the idea that the laws might be no barrier to this sort of application of power by workers?
Or do these wildcat strikes make little difference to that sort of thing? Im not very clued up about union & strike laws and how much they were successful at neutering worker power in the last decade or 2, so I dont know if the present action has set any precedents.
Also do the new industry code of conduct things that the government have been going on about today, seem to be any good?
Was capital & friends very happy with the anti-union anti-strike laws that have ben brought in over the decades, but are now facing up to the idea that the laws might be no barrier to this sort of application of power by workers?
Or do these wildcat strikes make little difference to that sort of thing? Im not very clued up about union & strike laws and how much they were successful at neutering worker power in the last decade or 2, so I dont know if the present action has set any precedents.
Also do the new industry code of conduct things that the government have been going on about today, seem to be any good?
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