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Hundreds of workers protest against Italians/Foreigners 'taking jobs'...

Spoin you did not answer my earlier question.

BA reckons you are not a member of any party.

KS assumes you are an SWPer and I assumed you were that or fellow-traveller - which is it?

That's right. There was no human agency, no decisions taken, no union members putting their views forward, no 'Socialist' Party members involved, it just happened :rolleyes:

My post was mere light hearted jocularity, based on the conversation we had some time ago about the necesity of party; my argument that the very concept of party is inherently based on a capitalist system of organisation and exclusion, yours being that before the revolution there needs to be a place where, and I'll quote as close as my memory serves me, 'There can be a space to discuss and analyse actions'...something along those lines.

Basically, your point was that Party is necessary, mine that Party is the where it all starts to go wrong.
 
email list has been hit with the following message... hope nobody minds me borrowing their emails as examples for people to use... any other keyboard warriors with access to email lists fancy firing out a similar message, I'm thinking it's the leas we can do for those on the frontline

I'm just on a wee little mission to get folk to complain to the BBC today if possible about them editing a quote on the 10 oclock news last night from a linsey striker to make it look like he was being xenophobic, when the full quote aired on Newsnight showed what he was saying in a totally different light.

This seems to be part of an establishment led campaign to smeer the strikers as racists / xenophobes, drive a wefge between them and left/liberal supporters, and force them into the hands of the BNP. At present the BNP are being chased off from the picket lines, so let's not let the BBC get away with this crap, and show those on the picket that they do have support from the left.

For those who missed it, please take 30 seconds to look at the 2 versions of the interview on this link

Email complaints to...

newsonline.complaints@bbc.co.uk

03700 100 222

When you call, it’s the normal “press 1 for…” and then you’re through.

I think it’s 3 for complaints.

Helen Boaden, Director of BBC news
Email: helenboaden.complaints@bbc.co.uk

Peter Horrocks, Head of BBC TV News
Email: peter.horrocks@bbc.co.uk

Richard Sambrook, Director of the World Service and Global News
Email: richard.sambrook@bbc.co.uk

or via the online complaints section of the website http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complaints_stage1.shtml


also could be worth anyone with media or political contacts giving them a heads up on this...

here's a copy of the email I sent earlier


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To whom it may concern,

I'd like to register a serious complaint about the editing of an interview with one of the strikers at the lindsey oil refinery on the BBC news at 10 last night, where the interview was edited deliberately to make the interviewee appear racist by removing a qualifying section of his interview. the full version of the interview was later broadcast on newsnight, and gives and entirely different meaning to what the interviewee was saying.

This is appalling editorial bias, and in my opinion should be a sackable offence for whoever edited the piece. I hope and expect that the BBC will offer a full apology and retraction on tonights news at 10.

The 2 quotes are as follows:-


BBC News at 10

Reporter... "beneath the anger ministers fear lies straightforward xenophobia"

Striker... "These portugese and Ities, we can't work alongside of them"


BBC Newsnight

Same Striker... "These portugese and Ities, we can't work alongside of them, they're segregated, and coming in in full companies"

the 2 different versions can be viewed at the following link


As you can see the 2 different versions of the interview give 2 very different impressions of the strikers viewpoint, the edited version seeming to be highly xenophobic, and the full version being simply a description of the fact that the local workers are being segregated from the foreign workers and not allowed the opportunity to work alongside them. This is a gross slur against the striking workers, a slur that must be corrected at the earliest possible opportunity.


I trust that you will offer a full appology and retraction today otherwise there will be hundreds of complaints being filed with the press complaints commission tomorrow.

Sincerely,

me

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another point worth making is that the time difference between the 2 clips is 4 seconds vs 7 seconds, so there can be no excuse of it being edited for time saving reasons.

The relevant sections of the press complaints Commission code of practice are...
1 Accuracy

i) The Press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information, including pictures.

ii) A significant inaccuracy, misleading statement or distortion once recognised must be corrected, promptly and with due prominence, and - where appropriate - an apology published.


Please forward this message, and spend a couple of minutes firing off a complaint... (or D lock yourself to the BBC entrance if you feel the urge;))

Cheers,

fs


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ps, here's a couple more examples of emails that others have written for those needing inspiration

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Dear Mr Bailey,

I would be grateful if you could watch the following clip:



The first clip in which Nick Robinson is the presenter selectively edits the quote to make the striker appear racist. Unfortunately for Mr Robinson, the full clip appeared on Newsnight some half-an-hour later.

The BBC - or at least, Mr Robinson - is responsible for inflaming the situation by using carefully edited quotes to make the strikers appear to be racist.

Needless to say, I have forwarded this clip to all my contacts elsewhere in the media.

***

Dear Ms Boaden

I'm writing to complain about what I consider a serious and deliberate incidence of misleading editing on BBC News at Ten. I watched the main news and took at face value an interview with a striker which was introduced with the words: "Beneath the anger ministers fear lies straightforward xenophobia." The striker was then heard to say: "These Portuguese and Ities; we can't work alongside of them."

Ostensibly a pretty damning quote. However, when I turned over to watch Newsnight, I heard the full quote: "These Portuguese and Ities; we can't work alongside of them - they're segregated, and coming in in full companies."

This last section puts a completely different slant on the quote, showing the striker meant only that there were organisational reasons he didn't work alongside the migrant workforce. The only conclusion I can draw is that the News at Ten version was deliberately edited to make the striker appear racist, to fit with the narrative the reporter had prepared. I find this a shocking breach of trust and attempt to mislead. The BBC has in recent weeks much trumpeted its impartiality, but this is evidence of distortion and bias of the most blatant type.

The very least the BBC should do is give the same prominence to a retraction and apology, and ensure that standards are in place that no repeat of this type of practise can happen.

Yours
 
Maybe becuase it was written by two Socialist Party members and comes alongside demands for unionisation of immigrant workers and interpreters to help them participate in the union, you fucking idiot.

what about British workers abroad? will you call them 'immigrant' also?

will British workers abroad be forced to join that country's Unions in order to be allowed to continue to work abroad?

did UK Unions make contact with 'abroad' Unions yet?

is there a Europe-wide "Union" yet ?
 
what about British workers abroad? will you call them 'immigrant' also?

will British workers abroad be forced to join that country's Unions in order to be allowed to continue to work abroad?

did UK Unions make contact with 'abroad' Unions yet?

is there a Europe-wide "Union" yet ?

Nope, there isn't even a UK wide one, AMICUS or the GMB but they are both bent.
 
this seems to be part of an establishment led campaign to smeer the strikers as racists / xenophobes

The problem with this statement is you're accusing the same news organisation of a plot that also featured the whole quote from said worker in another of it's shows...
 
what about British workers abroad? will you call them 'immigrant' also?

will British workers abroad be forced to join that country's Unions in order to be allowed to continue to work abroad?

did UK Unions make contact with 'abroad' Unions yet?

is there a Europe-wide "Union" yet ?

Ah, so I see no one has answered these in any greater depth than Belboid than when I raised them about 200 posts ago...
 
what about British workers abroad? will you call them 'immigrant' also?
thats why I prefer the word 'migrant' tho its all much of a muchness

will British workers abroad be forced to join that country's Unions in order to be allowed to continue to work abroad?
they should be, imo, yes

did UK Unions make contact with 'abroad' Unions yet?

is there a Europe-wide "Union" yet ?

both those things are ongoing projects. christ, it took amicus & T&G nigh on four years to agree a merger, how much longer do you think it is likely to with europe wide unions? there are cross-european union agreements tho
 
The problem with this statement is you're accusing the same news organisation of a plot that also featured the whole quote from said worker in another of it's shows...

No editing like that should take place EVER. It's a disgrace.

Also more people are likely to watch the news than newsnight.
 
Thanks free spirit - that's a pretty shitty edit with a very blatant agenda. Complaint made.

The agenda being:

1. The plebs all watch the main 10pm bulletin, and get the 'W/c are racist' label

2. The intelligent types watch newsnight and get to see the whole quote because...?

:confused:
 
The agenda being:

1. The plebs all watch the main 10pm bulletin, and get the 'W/c are racist' label

2. The intelligent types watch newsnight and get to see the whole quote because...?

:confused:

and cos of the journo's involved. One ex-tory boy, one ex (?) - trot.

can you guess which was which?
 
The agenda being:

1. The plebs all watch the main 10pm bulletin, and get the 'W/c are racist' label

2. The intelligent types watch newsnight and get to see the whole quote because...?

:confused:

I'm not accusing the whole BBC of being part of a conspiracy. Some editor or someone on News at Ten decided to put in a deliberately misleading quote that was a slur against one of the strikers. That's what I complained about. Good on the Newsnight crew who put the whole quote in, but a lot of people won't have watched both.
 
“This worker solidarity is against the ‘conscious blacking’ of British construction workers by company bosses who refuse to recruit skilled British labour in the UK. The workers of LOR, Conoco and Easington did not take strike action against immigrant workers. Our action is rightly aimed against company bosses who attempt to play off one nationality of worker against the other and undermine the NAECI agreement.” - Keith Gibson, Lindsey Oil Refinery Strike Committee
And the correct response is to 'consciously black' workers who are not local?

Is that Libertarian Communism? Or is it just going along with a sentiment that says 'fuck you, pal, you're not local'?
 
Editing in the middle of a sentence to make it look like it said something other than what the speaker intended?

OK, how do we know it wasn't cropped to fit within the timeslot the story had to fit in?

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but we've got people arguing that the same organisation is part of an establishment plot, and lots of people making wild claims.

It is a shitty piece of editing for a major bulletin, but the automatic assumption of bias, not to mention the absurd accusation of an 'establishment plot' when the two articles came from the same news organisation is...well, a bit silly really.
 
I'm not accusing the whole BBC of being part of a conspiracy. Some editor or someone on News at Ten decided to put in a deliberately misleading quote that was a slur against one of the strikers. That's what I complained about. Good on the Newsnight crew who put the whole quote in, but a lot of people won't have watched both.
This. Although it's a bit more than that: reporting has consistently said the strikes are "against Italian workers", although within the reports strikers are often quoted as saying that isn't their agenda, they just object to being laid off by one company only for a sub-sub contractor not to even consider them for the jobs. But it's that headline that counts - "the strikes against Italian workers".
 
And once again, how do you square this analysis (and it's pretty charitable to describe is as that) of yours with a mass meeting of the LOR workers agreeing to demands including a demand for immigrant workers to be brought into the union? Is that "pisspoor at best"?

People's politics don't arrive in neat little packages from some central committee, they develop over time and in struggle. There are both nationalist tendancies and pro-working class tendancies within this dispute, and as far as LOR is concerned, the latter appears to be winning.
You're ignoring the only demand that refers to future employment, that calls for it to go to locals nominated by the union.

No, w/c people's ideas don't arise fully formed with diamond sharp class consciousness. They are learned in struggle and in discussion during that struggle, and you're abdicating responsibility from criticising the reactionary elements of this strike's demands
 
The problem with this statement is you're accusing the same news organisation of a plot that also featured the whole quote from said worker in another of it's shows...
firstly, that only went to the email list as my opinion, not for inclusion in complaints etc. just as background as I see it.

secondly, newsnight tends to have higher editorial standards, but it's viewing figures are a hell of a lot lower than the main evening news.

IMO it is part of an establishment campaign as stated, as indicated by the following media quotes, and the fact the bbc could only find this misleadingly edited quote to back up their assertion says it all IMO.

btw I firmly believe most of 'the establishment' are a bunch of incompetent pricks, so the fact that one part of the bbc isn't towing the same line as another part does nothing to undermine the overall notion that those in power are trying to smear the strike as being xenophobic by whatever means they have at their disposal. They've fucked up though here, so let's not let them off the hook easily.

<snip>Lord Mandelson calls protests 'xenophobic'
[telegraph]

Wildcat strikes over foreign labour show no sign of ending today, despite warnings from the Government about the issue stoking the "politics of xenophobia".

He added: "We should keep our sights set firmly not on the politics of xenophobia but on the economics of this recession."
[mandy himself]
 
...and as pointed out by b, it can be viewed as ra eflection of how class struggle operates within the BBC as well. The orginal edited fuckwit report coming from a tory hostile to the strike who would have gotten away with it if not for someone sympathetic to the strike on another program For those who still have illusions about impartiality on the part of the BBC this should be another nail in the coffin (and as i pointed out on another thread about a BBC fuck up, they've also took back their apology over showing the order of the days events at Orgreave in reverse).
 
OK, how do we know it wasn't cropped to fit within the timeslot the story had to fit in?

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but we've got people arguing that the same organisation is part of an establishment plot, and lots of people making wild claims.

It is a shitty piece of editing for a major bulletin, but the automatic assumption of bias, not to mention the absurd accusation of an 'establishment plot' when the two articles came from the same news organisation is...well, a bit silly really.

I don't think it was an 'establishment plot', more likely a combination of time contraint (although only 3 seconds were saved) and crappy journalism looking for a xenophobic angle. Although Auntie Beeb has form in terms of dodgy coverage of strike action it must be said.
 
thats why I prefer the word 'migrant' tho its all much of a muchness
it's not a much of a muchness imo.
one is a loaded term (immigrant) implying seeking permanent stay/residence, the other (migrant) implying temporary residence/stay with a permanent residence elsewhere.
they should be, imo, yes
but aren't there laws about being forced to join a union in order to secure employment? isn't that a closed shop?
both those things are ongoing projects. christ, it took amicus & T&G nigh on four years to agree a merger, how much longer do you think it is likely to with europe wide unions? there are cross-european union agreements tho
then why don't these union members initiate a new union of unions - europe-wide- preferably talking to other unions (esp. portuguese and italian) by the end of the week?
 
OK, how do we know it wasn't cropped to fit within the timeslot the story had to fit in?

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but we've got people arguing that the same organisation is part of an establishment plot, and lots of people making wild claims.

It is a shitty piece of editing for a major bulletin, but the automatic assumption of bias, not to mention the absurd accusation of an 'establishment plot' when the two articles came from the same news organisation is...well, a bit silly really.
7 seconds vs 4 seconds... sorry, but that excuse doesn't work IMO, particularly as they used the clip specifically to back up the reporters statement about ministers fearing xenophobia lies beneath the anger. It's obvious the clip doesn't back up that assertion at all when played in full, so they edited it to fit the storyline of their piece... ie deliberate misrepresentation of the views of the person being interviewed.
 
Good work free spirit. I'll whack a version of that round my address book. :)
nice one... any more for any more?

I'm writing a press release to send round the papers based on their being an internet campaign brewing to force the BBC into a retraction and apology on this, so it'd be kinda good if there actually was a bit of an internet campaign going on that amounted to more than half a dozen email complaints;)

eta off to paint a wall first, which should give the campaign chance to brew a bit...
 
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