belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Unite takes more than a week to decide whether or not to fart!
As I said, there are cross-european agreements, but thy are very hard to enforce.
And do you really want a union with an HQ in Turin?
Hundreds of workers protest against Italians/Foreigners 'taking jobs'...
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Unite takes more than a week to decide whether or not to fart!
As I said, there are cross-european agreements, but thy are very hard to enforce.
And do you really want a union with an HQ in Turin?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I did modify the supporting text somewhat. I respectfully suggest kyser does likewise.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
nice one...
free spirit
more tea vicar?
I'd have been very surprised if you hadn't...I did modify the supporting text somewhat. I respectfully suggest kyser does likewise.
The PCC says that complaints of inaccuracy in news broadcasts must me sent directly to the BBC
Any other independent bodies to send the complaints to?
Except that it doesn't say "locals" it says "skilled people, locally", i.e., the work at the refinery should be available to the people who live right by it. Is that really such a reactionary demand?
Alright, first of all, I don't have a "responsibility" to do or say anything with regards to these strikes. Secondly, if would you care to read the newsletter I linked to earlier, which I and others will be distributing at demonstrations and pickets and tell me whether you think it shies away from criticising reactionary elements in this strike?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
and they would only deal with a complaint from the striker himself, no second or third parties.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
Bureacratic triplicate permission-to-fart-form signed, I presume?
Would be better/easier to enforce if there were an umbrella representation via union of unions!
There needn't be that kind of physical building - can be done other ways..peripetetic HQ, one union, one rep ?
ANYWAY!
Why aren't the union protestors standing outside the Italian/Portuguese workers' hotel/digs with placards saying 'Brothers, join us!'
Why are there reports of these migrant workers having to endure hatred from locality ?
free spirit
more tea vicar?
PK might know more on this, but I can't see there'd be any harm in effectively giving the PCC a heads up about the situation... particularly as other media might well contact them for a comment or something if there is any media interest in it.
btw, I don't really do the blogosphere, not sure if anyone knows any likely blogs to get onto this story if they aren't already?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
They'd be in 4 fathoms of water?
Maybe they are doing just that. Do you know they aren't?
free spirit
more tea vicar?
erm, possibly because like any community in the country there are some racist / xenophobic arseholes out there who're taking their frustrations out on the posted workers... doesn't mean that the majority of the strikers agree with them, or that this is what the strike's about though does it?
snadge
metal alchemist
Because they would drown and the BOAT they are staying on is secured.
proof....
Why IS the left so adamant to label this as racist, maybe it is because they can't bear to support the strikers as it is the left that pushed us into the No Borders anology and they can't bear to see their dream as a heap of profiteering shite.
As I've said i've my own opinions on the Lindsey situation(which most disagree with) but undermining the beliefs of those who are losing money to strike is downright disgusting
I think as much as possible should be done to make sure this doesn't go unnoticed
Spion
I hear ya
Well, it doesn't say a percentage of locals, it just says locally skilled labour. IE, not those who - by whatever arbitrary limitation is decided upon - are from further than X miles away. So, by definition it means British-based only at best, and I'm sure no-one in the real world is under any illusions about that given the prominence of the BJ4BW slogans.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
they have tried. Bosses wont let them near (hence the comments from Mr 'Eyetie' on the news last night) Also Portuguese workers have joined in some of the other walkouts
the italian bloke i saw on the news yesterday was saying how little explicit racism like that he'd witnessed. No doubt it exists, but the media is overblowing it massively. I imagine if one single italian had been assaulted, we'd all know about it by now, but it doesn't seem to have happened. So its hardly a seething hotbed of bigotry, is it?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
in case you hasn't noticed, most people arguing against such a label ARE of 'the left'
What seems to have been missed is the lopsided way that 'no borders' has been implemented in the UK; the country has been kept quite deliberately separate economically speaking from the rest of Europe whilst labour has been allowed to be sold i nblocks across borders, taking advantage of the fact that prices etc can be controlled independently of each other. And all the while the UK has been opposing any regulation that would insure common standards for labour across the EU.
Dominic Lawson writing in the independent today talks as if socialist internationalism and capitalist free movement of labour were one and the same thing, and the workers opposition to the latter somehow refutes the former, whereas in fact they could hardly be more different.
Dominic Lawson writing in the independent today talks as if socialist internationalism and capitalist free movement of labour were one and the same thing, and the workers opposition to the latter somehow refutes the former, whereas in fact they could hardly be more different.
Spion
I hear ya
The boat is docked and the Italian workers are being bussed in and out. Have the Socialist Party members on the strike cttee suggested that a delegation makes a public gesture to these workers to join them? I'd like to know that
Except that this would just be a register of people who'd be nominated as candidates for the jobs, not the entirety of the workforce.
"British-based" is an incredibly slimey way to make insinuations of xenophobia, by the way.
Spion
I hear ya
This is the straw man of the thread. No one is saying that.
But at the same time we've no evidence that the strikers have attempted - or that members of the strike cttee have even argued for - the basic act of reaching out to these workers to say, "Brothers, join us for jobs for all".
TBH, linking up with the Italians is vital in this
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I'm nowhere near Lindsay. I am near Longannet and Grangemouth, but those are sympathy strikes. So I have to rely on what I'm told, and as we have seen the news media aren't really doing a great job on that score. However, I'd be very surprised if the strikers haven't tried to contact the migrant workers. And belboid says they have tried.
Spion
I hear ya
I mean exactly what I say. Only a mind looking for 'slime' could see it that way
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I agree making contact is very important, and afaik, attempts are being made.
But it is NOT a straw man to point out that the 'xenophiobia' seems really very limited. the media are constantly telling us how the strike is 'anti-italian' and threats are being made, but there appears to be not one iota of evidence for this. There have been NO reported incidences of racism directed at any italians or other foreigners. if the strike really were so xenophobic, you would expect someone would go and do something fucking stupidly ignorant, but they haven't.
Spion
I hear ya
I meant straw man as far as this thread on this board is concerned. Not one of the posters AFAIK here has accused the strikers of racism or xenophobia (nationalism, yes), but that straw man has been thrown around a lot towards me and others.
I thought the Newsnight report last night had the owner of the accommodation barge reporting threats to the Italians there?
Spion
I hear ya
What the strikers want. Preferential treatment for British workers
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7867207.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7867207.stm
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
it's a priority mission of goodwill. are they at Immingham? there are other ways of getting to Immingham dock w/o breaking any laws.
Still, even a little intimidation must be bad for all.
That wasn't really my point to highlight 'a seething hotbed of bigotry', just to show how unpleasant things have become for these migrant workers.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
Two of those interviewed were unemployed i.e. not striking workers. This wasn't immediately made clear by the reporter.
2nd guy interviewed, was asked if he was one of the contractors, (the man who had formerly said 'We'll stay out as long as it takes') and turned out to be unemployed and supportive protestor, looking for work, and not an employed-striker - his statement was misleading.
The other non-employed bloke believes he was not considered for re-hire at this place due to his being a former shop steward. He spoke on behalf of the strikers - does he still work for the Union?
Who was the guy in sunglasses being interviewed? "Kenny" - was he a striking worker or another supportive out-of-work protestor seeking employment?
Again, consultation with Italian/Portuguese Unions seems of paramount importance.
Spion
I hear ya
I assumed he was on the strike cttee, but it doesn't actually say anywhere. Someone here may know who he is
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
The CGIL website doesn't seem to mention it.
They do however have a page on immigration
http://www.cgil.it/immigrazione/index.shtml
Ipresume to unionise migrant workkers
They do however have a page on immigration
http://www.cgil.it/immigrazione/index.shtml
Ipresume to unionise migrant workkers
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