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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

Jesus; have just listened to part II of "Dave's story" on "The World at One"...harrowing and, according to the Met, credible.

Well worth a listen.
 
J Ed said:
Tory MP Victor Montagu escaped child sex abuse trial in 1970s
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Wow, the stench of deference runs thick through the details of that story.

Ah, the Monday Club again.

Montagu was a leading figure in the establishment. He was an MP for South Dorset from 1941 to 1962 and became a member of the Monday Club, a rightwing political pressure group in the 1960s. He inherited his father’s seat and became the 10th Earl of Sandwich in 1964, a title he renounced to stand for parliament again as an independent.
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Wilf said:
Not just a rhetorical question, I really can't remember, but has a single MP, Minister or inner circle adviser faced a court over any kind of noncery in living memory?
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Harvey Proctor, far Right Tory MP, was convicted in the late 80's for spanking rent boys.
 
Two parts to this. This is the first

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"Today you will hear the story of David who says he was abused by powerful businessmen, lawyers, senior military figures and former Conservative politicians, many of whom are now dead.

Over the next few days - our reporter Becky Milligan will examine David's story. She will explain how difficult it can be to get to the truth of what happened forty years ago."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02qmvpm

Part 2: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02qpw96
 
I dont blame anyone for being cynical about operation hydrant earlier in this thread, but I was pleased to see them release some stats the other day, giving some sense of scale.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32812449

Of the 1,433 suspects identified, 216 are now dead and 261 are classified as people of public prominence, with 135 coming from TV, film or radio.

Of the remainder:

  • A further 76 suspects are politicians, 43 are from the music industry and seven come from the world of sport.
  • A total of 666 claims relate to institutions, with 357 separate institutions identified.
  • Of these, 154 are schools, 75 are children's homes, and 40 are religious institutions.
  • They also include 14 medical establishments, 11 community institutions, nine prisons, nine sports venues and 28 other institutions, including military groups and guest houses.
Another 17 institutions are classified as unknown.

The figures are taken from police forces in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

They relate to reports of abuse, or investigations of abuse, which police forces were dealing with in the summer of 2014.
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I suppose I may as well provide background on the source of that data, the NPCC, since probably not everyone is yet aware that they are the new version of Acpo.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30277356 (story from December 2014)

The chief constable of Thames Valley Police has been appointed the chair of the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC), a newly created association representing senior police officers.

Sara Thornton will head the body which is replacing the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo).

Starting in April 2015, she will effectively replace Sir Hugh Orde, who is standing down as president of Acpo.

Ms Thornton said her new role would be a "privilege and challenge".

She said: "I look forward to leading the new body and doing all that I can to protect the public and build confidence in policing."

Ms Thornton is currently vice-president of Acpo and will leave Thames Valley Police "with a heavy heart" after 14 years.

The NPCC, which will co-ordinate operational policing at national levels, is being set up following an independent review, led by retired general Sir Nick Parker, which recommended an overhaul of Acpo.
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Police Scotland provided their own breakdown, not sure if any other forces have yet, not had time to look.

  • Police Scotland has 58 separate investigations that meet criteria for Operation Hydrant.
  • The earliest recorded date of offending is 1947, whilst the most recent is 2013.
  • A total of 110 suspects, of which 80 are named. Twenty-six of the named suspects are deceased.
  • 99 persons are suspected of abuse within institutions.
37 suspects are classified as Persons of Public Prominence

  • Of these, four come from the world of TV, film or radio.
  • 33 are listed as having a Significant Public Profile nationally or locally.
  • A number of these individuals have also been named as responsible for abuse within institutions.
45 institutions have been identified within Scotland. They are:

  • 17 educational institutions.
  • 16 social care establishments.
  • 7 faith based institutions.
  • 4 leisure based clubs/organisations.
  • 1 health premises.
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http://www.scotland.police.uk/whats...eration-hydrant-child-sex-abuse-investigation
 
And Cyril Smith was back in the news, with something related to the angle that I presume is of most intrigue to people here, the security services.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-32824951

A police force says laws relating to the security services prevent it from divulging information it holds on Cyril Smith.

It is understood the Liberal MP, who died in 2010, was stopped on the M1 in Northamptonshire during the 1980s.

A cold case unit is investigating claims he was released after images of child abuse were found in his car boot.

He was released after making a telephone call to an unidentified third party in London, it has been claimed.
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He alleged Smith was stopped on suspicion of a driving offence, but quickly released after he made the phone call.

Despite being taken into the police station, the material said to have been found in his boot disappeared, Mr Danczuk said.

A Freedom of Information Act request from the BBC asked Northamptonshire Police for "any information held by the constabulary relating to the arrest on the M1 during the 1980s" of Cyril Smith.

The constabulary said that other than a press release from March, it could "neither confirm nor deny that it holds any other information" relating to the case.

In doing so the force cited Section 23(5) of the act which concerns "information supplied by or concerning certain security bodies".

The force did not specify which branch of the security services it is referring to.

It also cited a number of other exemptions under the act, including those relating to law enforcement, personal information and investigations.

Ivan Balhatchet, assistant chief constable, said the force was committed to "complete and utter transparency" and said leads from Mr Danczuk were being "followed up".
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Our walls are completely transparent*

*but the spooks brought along a smoke machine, mkay.
 
http://news.sky.com/story/1490565/abuse-survivor-cops-stood-guard-as-i-was-raped

A woman has told Sky News how uniformed police officers stood guard as abusers sexually assaulted her as a young girl.

Waiving her right to anonymity, Esther Baker, 32, spoke exclusively to Sky News about her tormented childhood that saw her sexually abused by men at various locations.

She claimed police officers would stand guard for the perpetrators and on some occasions even joined in the abuse in woodland on Cannock Chase in Staffordshire.

She said: "I got the feeling very much that they were protecting somebody, that they were with one of the men.

"One of them (police officers) I knew from church. There were a few occasions where they would be in uniform, and I kind of knew, I learnt that when they were in uniform that it was going to be a rough night.

"On occasion they would - they would sort of join in," she added.

Ms Baker recalls one police officer apologising to her.

"There was one that I can remember, one of the times I tried to run away and tried to get away from them and he came after me, caught up with me and he was carrying me back to where the rest of them were and he said he was sorry," she said.

From the age of six, Ms Baker was taken to be abused by different men on Cannock Chase, at various properties around Staffordshire and beyond.

Other children were often there and sometimes they were given alcohol: "We were all pretty much the same, same ages, we never spoke, I don't know where they came from, who brought them."

She says the sexual abuse was often filmed and involved men of varying ages from different parts of the country.

She said: "I don't quite know how to explain. I was brought up in a religious household and one thing that kept me so sure that what they were doing was right was that there were references to people, Lords and a judge.

"I picked up on those names, because I thought one of them must have been God because one of them was 'Our Lord'.

"I just thought that they were on God's authority."

Decades on, Ms Baker has now finally decided to speak out and has made the painful decision to approach the police again, who have assured her that her claims will be investigated thoroughly.

She has recently taken part in a series of gruelling video interviews with detectives recounting the abuse.

She decided to speak to Sky News in the hope of finding other victims or the police officers who were involved.

She said: "I would say to the one that was sorry that he knows who these people were and why they were there.

"I need them to fill in the gaps that I just don't know, I need people that were adults then but they couldn't stop it for whatever reason, it is time for them to stop it now."

The other children who were allegedly abused on Cannock Chase may also hold vital information.

Ms Baker added: "I know they are terrified to come forward, I know what they were told, I know what threats were made and I know why they are scared.

"But every one of us that comes forward will hold a different piece of the puzzle. I can't fill it in on my own."

Ms Baker has given the name of one politician to the police and a detailed account of the years of abuse.

She said: "I always swore I would never go near the police again - never... but I have hid it for twenty years, that has not worked, that hasn't taken the fear away - I have got nothing to lose anymore."

Ms Baker has ongoing support from the Lantern Project on Merseyside who work with survivors of sexual abuse.
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brogdale said:
Doesn't matter how many times you hear these stories of abuse...each one has the power to shock and depress in equal measure. Poor girl/woman.:(
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I agree completely, and it seems so incredibly wrong for us to know that this happened and similar must still be happening without society grounding to a shuddering halt of revulsion or something. Yet it doesn't, and the cover up was and is a multi-partisan affair over which all seem to have closed ranks.

Now being reported in the Guardian
 
Kincora came up in my reading yesterday- a man in a prison with Loyalist and 'ordinary' crims- he was a kincora nonce, . One of the Shankhill butchers nearly knifed the bloke but was talked out of it.

I can't believe they're going to get away with covering this up again. Lord fucking Janner. Cyril Smith found in my county with child porn and let off. Leon Brittan buried in a secret location.
 
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.....odd snippet from The Pencourt File (1978) - Roger Penrose & Barry Courtiour - early book on "The Wilson Plot" & other shenanigans...

...a strange era - wherein S African secret police BOSS loom large as an actor in UK political dirty tricks ( Peter Hain frame-up etc ) and also ofcourse would overlap with the Monday Club....:hmm:
 
hot air baboon said:


.....odd snippet from The Pencourt File (1978) - Roger Penrose & Barry Courtiour - early book on "The Wilson Plot" & other shenanigans...

...a strange era - wherein S African secret police BOSS loom large as an actor in UK political dirty tricks ( Peter Hain frame-up etc ) and also ofcourse would overlap with the Monday Club....:hmm:
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Let's not forget The Freedom Association either. They were behind the so-called 'rebel' tour of South Africa in the early 80s. TFA has close ties to the security services.
 
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...se-to-be-included-in-uk-inquiry-31269605.html

The British security service MI5 shielded and blackmailed child sex abusers involved in a paedophile ring at a notorious Belfast care home, the High Court heard on Monday.

Counsel for one victim claimed new evidence of the extent of state collusion and cover-up in the Kincora scandal must now be examined by a wider Westminster inquiry.

Gary Hoy is seeking to judicially review the decision to keep the probe within the remit of a Stormont-commissioned body.

But opening his challenge, Ashley Underwood QC argued the ongoing Historical Institutional Abuse (HIA) Inquiry sitting in Banbridge, Co Down lacks the power to properly scrutinise the "appalling, systematic abuse" Mr Hoy suffered at Kincora Boys Home.

He said: "There's now substantial evidence that the Security Service were condoning that, they knew of it and made use of it so as to blackmail the abusers and prevent some of the abusers being brought to book at the time."

Senior politicians, businessmen and high-level British state agents are alleged to have connived in the molestation and prostitution of vulnerable youngsters throughout the 1970s.

With MI5 accused of a cover-up to protect an intelligence-gathering operation, calls for full scrutiny have grown ever since three senior staff at Kincora were jailed in 1981 for abusing boys in their care.

It has long been suspected that well-known figures within the British establishment, including high-ranking civil servants and senior military officers, were involved.

The Government has so far refused to include Kincora within the scope of a child abuse inquiry established by Home Secretary Theresa May and headed by New Zealand judge Lowell Goddard.
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nino_savatte said:
I've been reacquainting myself with some of those articles. I still find it interesting that McAlpine never threatened to sue Scallywag.
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Perhaps it was because the omerta surrounding child sexual abuse was such that there was little benefit in creating publicity by suing about an article which no-one was going to take all that seriously at the time, and far less likely to act on. Which is, in fact, exactly what happened :)
 
nino_savatte said:
I've been reacquainting myself with some of those articles. I still find it interesting that McAlpine never threatened to sue Scallywag.
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They'd be little point in suing a small circulation magazine with no money.

It'd have only drawn more attention to the allegations, particularly if the hearing took place in open court where the proceedings could be reported by the media.

Perhaps could have sought an injunction and applied to have all remaining copies pulped as, IIRC John Major did re the Claire Latimer allegations?
 
Danczuk doing a bit of grandstanding on Janner:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/22/labour-lord-janner-danczuk-miliband
He has also, of course, waited till after the election to say anything. It does remind you though that Janner hasn't yet been expelled by Labour, just suspended. :facepalm: And it's not as if they are worried about due process or him to taking them to court. A minor detail in the bigger picture, but a reminder the parties still can't give voice genuine outrage over abuse in their ranks.
 
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