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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

The time when child abuse wasn't dealt with properly
By Sanchia Berg BBC Radio 4's Today programme

OK, the title begs the question that it's dealt with properly now, but these cases from the 50s and 60s display scant regard for the victims, even suggesting in one case that the abuser "might himself be in one sense the victim of boys who had already been corrupted." In another case mentioned in the article: "The other men denied the charges - no adult witnesses were called in the trial and the boys were easy to undermine. The men were found not guilty." Rules on evidence have vastly improved since then, and the evidence of children is taken more seriously.

On a separate note, today's the day that Mark Sidwell is due to deliver to the Home Affairs Select Committee the answers to the questions he couldn't answer at the hearing: (from memory) the full report (with names redacted if necessary), the titles of the files, whether adjacently numbered files were also missing, or what proportion of missing files these represent (ie, had they been targeted or were the missing files part of a general pattern of carelessness) and various other uncomfortable questions... Anyone know whether Vaz is going to make these answers public?
 
Kalfindin said:
If we look at history establishment inquires have been a fix from bloody Sunday to Hillsborough, why would this one be any different ? Apparently that makes me a conspiracyloon.
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Why are you taking personally a generalised comment meant to demarcate how various elements of the population might react?
 
Not sure why, maybe because the it's the Durham gala this week, but this is all bringing to mind the words of Labour traitor JH Thomas. When AJ Cook questioned the appointment of Sir Herbert Samuel to chair a commission into wages and hours in mining, Thomas came out with the line “you may not trust my word but will you not accept the word of a British gentleman who has been Governor of Palestine?” Needless to say, Samuel's word was shit.
 
DotCommunist said:
camerons going to look fucked either way here- either scholss stays and the inquries credibility is shot from the get go, or she is replaced and he looks like a cunt.
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Hard to tell, but my guess is if 1, maybe 2, national children's charities come out against her, she will have to resign.
 
Boris Johnson's former prep school headmaster arrested on suspicion of child sex offences

Clive Williams, 69, who was in charge of Ashdown School in East Sussex for almost 30 years before he left in 2003, was questioned by police on Wednesday in connection with alleged offences of sexual assault and child neglect against pupils.
Mr Williams was interviewed by officers from Sussex police’s Operation Mitre, which has received complaints of past abuse from more than 20 past pupils spanning three decades.
Mr Williams has not been charged and has been released on police bail pending further inquiries....
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I feel a bit sordid posting this bit of dirt on the Havers-Butler-Schloss type people, it's almost certainly from a loon site going by the url, but I will. It came up on a random search on the good Dame:
http://www.electromagnetism.demon.co.uk/zbbsloss1.htm

Edit: yes, she's not responsible for his actions - but in her you've got an opponent of gay marriage*, defending the church, at the very least tolerating some imperial throwback buying his way through the local sex workers. Fuck 'em all.

*if, apparently, quite good on gay rights otherwise.
 
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Another potentially big disclosure. http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk...igures-child/story-21451466-detail/story.html

A former prison worker claims he contributed to the missing paedophile dossier by handing over names of VIPs and MPs who were coercing teenage rent boys behind bars.

Barrie Trower, 68, says he was recruited by M15 to work as a spy in the education department of Wormwood Scrubs jail in the 1960s and 1970s.

His role was to secretly record details of senior politicians, top police officers in the Met and high-ranking civil servants who had links with inmates.

The former science teacher claims he pooled together a string of damning facts from unsuspecting inmates - including teenage rent boys.

Many of them admitted spending weekends with MPs, taking part in spa trips and weekend breaks.

Barrie also says he saw and heard officials including MPs contacting teenagers in the prison to try and buy their silence by offering to get them freed.

He claims his information including letters and phone calls between inmates and VIPs was part of the Westminster child abuse dossier which went missing in the 1980s.

Barrie says that during his time at the prison, between 1967 and 1978, he passed on the intimate details of 16 VIPs, whose extra-curricular activities were disclosed to him.

He added that one of the accused politicians - who he named - was a household figure who has since died.

Barrie, of Newton Abbot, Devon said he was working as a teacher and scientist when he was approached to take on a job as a PE teacher and spy at the jail in 1967.

He said: "My main job was to obtain information from these vulnerable youngsters about paedophile activity within the establishment.

"I was trained over about a 14 month period to just listen and gather information that could be useful for MI5 and MI6 whilst I was teaching.

"I would have to be on the lookout for paedophiles and homosexuals and especially those within the establishment, for example police officers, civil servants and MPs.

"There were around 233 boys and girls that I was responsible for. There were a group of the boys, who I would describe as "pretty boys", many of them were rent boys.

"They would talk about very famous faces who had been at parties and events messing around with these boys, many of them were between 11-15.

"Ministers, police and civil servants, many of them known to the public were known by the public.

"Often the boys would get phone calls from these people, which obviously have to be logged, as well as letters which again we kept records of.

"They would have messages from MPs and Civil Servants saying things like: 'You won't do the full two year sentence, I'll make sure you're out in 16 weeks'."

Mr Trower started working at the prison as a physical education teacher in 1967.

He had been working as a science teacher and research scientist but was approached by the Government to take on a spying role in the prison.

As part of his role he was trained to detect spies, paedophiles and homosexuals and would give daily verbal revelations of links between inmates and VIPs.

Barrie explained the information he disclosed was passed on to four security officers who then handed the information on to MI5.

The revelations were then collated into 114 files which has since gone missing in a suspected cover-up.

He said: ''I would speak to the boys on a daily basis and they would start to name drop.

"I said to them that it must be nice to have friends like that and they would say 'they drive me around in their Jaguars, teach me how to swim and take me to saunas'.

"I was well trained - I know blackmail when I see it and those rent boys were being blackmailed."

The Home Office is facing calls to explain why a 1980s dossier about alleged paedophiles at Westminster was "destroyed" by officials.

The document was handed to then Home Secretary Leon Brittan by Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens.

Lord Brittan passed concerns in it to the relevant authorities, but the file itself was not kept.

Labour MP Simon Danczuk said it may contain evidence that would identify child sex abusers.

The Home Office said a 2013 review found the "credible" elements of the dossier which had "realistic potential" for further investigation were sent to police and prosecutors.

It added that other elements in the report were either not retained, or were destroyed.

Barrie says the only person he will disclose the MP names to is judge Dame Elizabeth Butler-Sloss who is leading a non-statutory inquiry into the affair.
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Barking_Mad said:
Another potentially big disclosure. http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk...igures-child/story-21451466-detail/story.html
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Unless he turns out to be an unreliable witness, that statement in itself is a little challenge for the coming inquiry:
Barrie says the only person he will disclose the MP names to is judge Dame Elizabeth Butler-Sloss who is leading a non-statutory inquiry into the affair.
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Not that (m)any new names are likely to find their way to the final report.
 
edit, a Paul Scholes play on words too banal even for Friday afternoon timekilling.
 
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Still. her nephew, who's an actor, reckons she'll be fine and doesn't know what all the fuss is about. Precisely the kind of nepotistic now, now, we're all a cut above and we know best environment that allows scandals like this to happen and then be covered up. Where people wield power they don't deserve and are able to squash others so you'd better shut your gob about what you saw OK. - Well shut your fucking trap Havers. You are not qualified to comment here.
 
King Biscuit Time said:
Still. her nephew, who's an actor, reckons she'll be fine and doesn't know what all the fuss is about. Precisely the kind of nepotistic now, now, we're all a cut above and we know best environment that allows scandals like this to happen and then be covered up. Where people wield power they don't deserve and are able to squash others so you'd better shut your gob about what you saw OK. - Well shut your fucking trap Havers. You are not qualified to comment here.
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I can just imagine the consternation in his family when he said it was the stage for him. He does have loverly hair though.
 
From Wiki - he sounds a real 'charmer' (underlined bit). Mind it's the final sentence that will do for him in a first up against the wall scenario.

Private life[edit]
In the mid-1980s Havers began an affair with Polly Williams, the sister of his friend, the actor Simon Williams. News broke as he was appearing in TV series The Charmer and caused him to be identified with the role in his public persona. Havers has written of the depression he experienced trying to choose between his marriage to Carolyn Cox and their young daughter Kate, born in 1977, and his mistress. During this time he consulted a psychiatrist at the Devonshire Hospital in London. Things were resolved in his mind when he took a part in the TV film Naked Under Capricorn, which was filmed in Alice Springs, Australia. He describes in his autobiography wrangling a herd of cattle and catching sight in the distance of a figure who turned out to be Williams. The following year they were married. Polly Williams died of cancer on 24 June 2004. Subsequently Havers challenged his wife's will, in which she left her estate to her children from an earlier marriage, obtaining a share of the estate in an out-of-court settlement.[6]
In New York City on 8 June 2007 Havers married Georgiana Bronfman, the former wife of the Canadian billionaire drinks magnate, Edgar Bronfman, Sr.[7] A blessing was held in Saint Tropez the following month.
Havers appeared in BBC One's genealogical show Who Do You Think You Are? in 2013.
He is the godfather of comedian Jack Whitehall.
 
Love these little details
After his theatre work, Havers slid into a period of acting unemployment, during which time he worked for a wine merchant.
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All you fuckers moaning about the bedroom tax, FFS, just take a job with your wine merchant! :mad:
 
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