little_legs
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Scandal damages democracy itself. After all the worst bit about raping kids is the scandal that it causes.
How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?
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Scandal damages democracy itself. After all the worst bit about raping kids is the scandal that it causes.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Sedwill was due to give Vaz the answers to awkward questions by noon today. Quelle surprise:
Nevertheless, in an odd kind of way, I count this as progress. There are names preserved in the bureaucratic aspic, even though we are not permitted to know them.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jul/11/missing-child-abuse-files-home-office-chief-mps
Nevertheless, in an odd kind of way, I count this as progress. There are names preserved in the bureaucratic aspic, even though we are not permitted to know them.
little_legs
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Apologies, I am still catching up with the tread, I've never heard of Janner before, though a quick Athens search produces this article, eugh...
Apologies, I am still catching up with the tread, I've never heard of Janner before, though a quick Athens search produces this article, eugh...
I don't rememeber , it was such a long time ago , I know Golda Meir y'now - now where's my glasses. A boy you say ....it was such a long time ago ...who did you say you where. Can I go home please.....
"He's Lady Gaga Sarge - poor bugger".
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/453381/Female-MP-abused-boy-in-care?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed: d
She is alleged to have forced a boy in care to perform a “vile” sex act at one of a series of drug-fuelled parties in Westminster in the Eighties where boys and girls as young as 13 were allegedly abused.
Last night her alleged victim told the Sunday Express: “I want justice.”
Andrew Ash, now 45, said he has given Scotland Yard the name of the former MP.
Dutch intelligence officers attended at least one interview because Andrew told of being trafficked to Amsterdam on a number of occasions to be abused by a group of paedophiles including convicted child killer Sidney Cooke.
He claims Cooke, now 84, made him film the paedophile abusing another young boy on video. It is feared Cooke may have abused and killed young boys in the Netherlands.
Mr Ash also told police he was abused by a big-name celebrity.
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Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
Tomorrow's Times front page has the story about Sloss suppressing abuse allegations.
Drip drip….
Drip drip….
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
In a rational world that should be her shot off the inquiry. Never underestimate though the ability of the powerful and entitled to rationalise everything away.
Fuck, a judge deciding crimes should be reported in a private letter to the bishop's boss rather than publically/to the police! Beggars belief, but then of course it doesn't. Cunt.
Fuck, a judge deciding crimes should be reported in a private letter to the bishop's boss rather than publically/to the police! Beggars belief, but then of course it doesn't. Cunt.
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Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
BBC Radio 4 Today: interview with Tim Yeo MP (worked in Dept of Health during the Thatcher years).
He basically rubbishes the account given by David Tombs (the ex-head of Social services in Hereford and Worcester) of the Department's response to his report into a suspected paedophile network involving Peter Righton and Rod Ryall. Tombs states that he was told that the evidence in his report wouldn't be pursued because there were 'too many of them over there'; Tombs understood the 'them' to be paedophiles and the 'over there' to mean the Houses of Parliament.
Yeo doesn't actually accuse Tombs of lying; rather he says that his account is unbelievable and questions why he hasn't come forward earlier. Interestingly he makes no reference to the original claims made by Tombs, nor the evidence of paedofile activity presented by both the Smith and Hayman cases; prefering instead to talk only about Saville as an individual abuser.
Disappointingly the BBC interviewer makes no attempt to get Yeo to tackle the actual evidence (from Tombs' report or Smith or Hayman).
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
He basically rubbishes the account given by David Tombs (the ex-head of Social services in Hereford and Worcester) of the Department's response to his report into a suspected paedophile network involving Peter Righton and Rod Ryall. Tombs states that he was told that the evidence in his report wouldn't be pursued because there were 'too many of them over there'; Tombs understood the 'them' to be paedophiles and the 'over there' to mean the Houses of Parliament.
Yeo doesn't actually accuse Tombs of lying; rather he says that his account is unbelievable and questions why he hasn't come forward earlier. Interestingly he makes no reference to the original claims made by Tombs, nor the evidence of paedofile activity presented by both the Smith and Hayman cases; prefering instead to talk only about Saville as an individual abuser.
Disappointingly the BBC interviewer makes no attempt to get Yeo to tackle the actual evidence (from Tombs' report or Smith or Hayman).
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
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Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
The Dame Butler-sloss' statement regarding Phil Johnson's questioning of her impartiality:
Throughout many years of public service I have always striven to be fair and compassionate, mindful of the very real suffering of those who have been victims of crime or other injustice. I have never put the reputation of any institution, including the Church of England above the pursuit of justice for victims.
That is why I am honoured to be leading this inquiry into whether public bodies and other non-state institutions have done enough to protect children from sexual abuse. I am assembling an independent panel of experts so that we can begin this important work as soon as possible.
None of which contradicts the actual substance of what Phil Johnson said happened (i.e. the Judge said she didn't want to give the press a bishop and she would deal with it by private letter rather than public prosecution). So what we have is Butler-sloss simply restating that she knows best and we should all trust her; that she will not or cannot see that this expectation/demand is part of the problem rather than part of the solution, speaks volumes about the entrenched and entitled nature of power. None of which bodes well for the victims seeking justice or the wider interests in transparency and accountability.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Throughout many years of public service I have always striven to be fair and compassionate, mindful of the very real suffering of those who have been victims of crime or other injustice. I have never put the reputation of any institution, including the Church of England above the pursuit of justice for victims.
That is why I am honoured to be leading this inquiry into whether public bodies and other non-state institutions have done enough to protect children from sexual abuse. I am assembling an independent panel of experts so that we can begin this important work as soon as possible.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Going back to the Edwina Currie story, I have always wondered whether the rumours of John Major shagging his catering assistant which were repeated in Scallywag and resulted in a libel action, were merely a result of someone hearing her last name mentioned and getting the wrong end of the stick. Either way it does take some chitzpah to go for a libel when you are having an affair but it just happens to be with an MP rather than your cook.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-140434/Magazine-threatens-legal-action-Major.html goes into this but I don't know the follow on.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-140434/Magazine-threatens-legal-action-Major.html goes into this but I don't know the follow on.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
One thing that struck me about this interview, apart from Yeo's full-on protestations of incredulity, was his comment that Tombs had gone away with his tail (or tale) between his legs and sat on it for 20 years, without contacting his MP or anyone else. Is any of that true? I had a quick google and couldn't find anything, except that Today was tweeting him as Peter Tombs. Not that any of it would necessarily be online anyway.
It will be on Listen Again shortly, some time after 8 am iirc.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Apologies for the link and author. Interesting that this has made an appearance into the msm. Albeit the express
Dunblane Cover up?
http://www.express.co.uk/comment/co...airport-ethnic-screening-and-the-French-media
Dunblane Cover up?
http://www.express.co.uk/comment/co...airport-ethnic-screening-and-the-French-media
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
There was a request for information relating to Tombs made last summer: link
The requested info wasn't forthcoming, but there was a suggestion to redirect it to Ofsted.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Doesn't he say he reported it but nothing happened?
golightly
economically inactive
Yeo was completely unbelievable in that interview. He was saying that paedophilia in high places was unthinkable so he wasn't even prepared to consider it as a possibility. He only made mention of one investigation of allegations against a lone individual which was not proven.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Cheers, Louis MacNeice, your google fu is better than mine! And yes, Barking, Tombs said that nothing had happened. Yeo was suggesting that if what Tombs was alleging was true, he wouldn't have left it at that. And thanks to Louis we have evidence that he didn't.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Here you go. The Tombs/Yeo package starts at 01.10.00
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0495ds9
E2A apols for changing the time, the ticker keeps lying to me. But I think it's right now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0495ds9
E2A apols for changing the time, the ticker keeps lying to me. But I think it's right now.
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happie chappie
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[Edited to delete any legally problematic links - thanks to ohmyliver for pointing this out]
I think you may need to treat the Private Eye cover linked to above Express article with caution as it's not genuine and is just a mock-up done by Max Farquar. Check the spelling of "Private Eye". Of course, Farquar may, or may not, be on to something about the female MP but it's not a conclusion you could draw by reading the Express article and then looking at what is a mock-up.
I thought there was something odd about it when I first saw it. It seemed very close to actually naming that particular MP as a abuser, the font used in the speech bubble isn't one normally used by Private Eye and it also says that the 13-year old boy reported the incident at the time. I'm not sure Ash actually said he did so. It's certainly not clear from the Express article that he did.
I think you may need to treat the Private Eye cover linked to above Express article with caution as it's not genuine and is just a mock-up done by Max Farquar. Check the spelling of "Private Eye". Of course, Farquar may, or may not, be on to something about the female MP but it's not a conclusion you could draw by reading the Express article and then looking at what is a mock-up.
I thought there was something odd about it when I first saw it. It seemed very close to actually naming that particular MP as a abuser, the font used in the speech bubble isn't one normally used by Private Eye and it also says that the 13-year old boy reported the incident at the time. I'm not sure Ash actually said he did so. It's certainly not clear from the Express article that he did.
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happie chappie
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I’m sure that many of the alleged abusers and their protectors do have common backgrounds, but I think the rationale runs deeper than that. It’s more about power relationships and manipulating people to do things they otherwise wouldn’t do, or not to do things they otherwise would.
Just as the as the abuser exercises power over the abused then in turn the protector exercises power over the abuser.
One, perhaps small example, is the interview with a Government Whip mentioned elsewhere in this thread and shown on Newsnight last week. The interviewee (a Whip) says that they would be willing to help out MPs when the get into trouble - even “with little boys” as he puts it. It’s unlikely that Whips are doing it simply because they went to the same school, or are member of the same club (in this case, a political party) or even share the same sexual tastes, but primarily because it then gives the protector an incredibly strong hold over the abuser.
That then becomes an abusive relationship, albeit of a different kind.
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Betsy
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Good!!
Have just seen this on Twitter so apologies if it is old news (as far as this thread is concerned)
England's leading family judge assigned a false name to a claim for financial support launched in the English courts against King Fahd of Saudi Arabia, to stop the media linking the case with him.
Dame Elizabeth Butler-Sloss, then president of the high court's family division, gave the case the title Maple v Maple, choosing the surname of a district judge who had been involved in an earlier stage of the case.
The case has been brought by Janan Harb, who claims to be a wife of the 83-year-old king, one of the world's richest men.
The king's lawyers argued that the appeal should be heard behind closed doors, saying that article 29 of the Geneva convention obliged Britain to "prevent any attack on his person, freedom or dignity".
But the judges rejected their argument as "particularly unpersuasive" and ruled that Dame Elizabeth had "misdirected herself" in allowing the immunity issue to be heard in private in the high court.
More here...
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jun/07/saudiarabia.pressandpublishing
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
It does seem bizarre to put someone previously in charge of one of the most secretive areas of "justice" in control of a public inquiry where the first obvious line of investigation will be into cover ups.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Hence not a very smart move for the post in question to be naming the female MP when the Express isn't doing so (presumably to avoid libel lawyers)
Hes telling lies, when people tell lies, they overstate themselves, their damage limitation operation is in full swing.
It was a smokescreen/damage limitation, I doubt gormless Major invented the idea.
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Yeo - what a lying cunt! Saying he'd not heard anything about abuse networks in and around Parliament at the time Tombs came to Whitehall in 1992. Dickens announced he was about to name names and submitted his dossier in the 80s - and there was a godalmighty flap around it with Brittan, Havers and others as chief flappers.
Just noticed that, so removed it, this was a big allegation in the late 80s/early 90s, I remember in the press talk of a female MP etc.
happie chappie
Well-Known Member
I'm certainly not saying it's a hoax. I've got no idea of knowing
What I was pointing out that looking at an obviously forged Eye front cover and then reading the Express piece should not lead you to conclude that Currie is the MP named in the article.
Unless there is other coverage about this in the Eye circa 1985 (I can't honestly recall of there is or not) it is not correct to say that the Eye followed up this story in 1985 if the only basis for this assertion is a forged front cover.
If there isn't such coverage then your post as originally constituted could be a bit legally dubious for obvious reasons.
If there is, however, genuine Eye coverage about this in 1985 then please accept my apologies.
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He used to be a whip, a job he claims to have enjoyed.
Tomorrow's Times front page has the story about Sloss suppressing abuse allegations.
Drip drip….
As Murdoch is no longer or was he ever part of the British establishment he and his media may have cause more than others to keep this story on the go.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
I have heard it suggested that the reason all this is coming out now is Murdoch's revenge. It's an ill wind...
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