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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

Kalfindin Please consider the ramifications of posting unsubstantiated accusations in this and other threads. Urban75 is for the greater part "self policing" in such matters but this does not preclude the very real possibility that a markedly different form of policing would have no compunction in kicking in the door of the server suite.

Take the time to read this thread:

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...threads-and-naming-living-individuals.300541/

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Kalfindin Please consider the ramifications of posting unsubstantiated accusations in this and other threads. Urban75 is for the greater part "self policing" in such matters but this does not preclude the very real possibility that a markedly different form of policing would have no compunction in kicking in the door of the server suite.

Take the time to read this thread:

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...threads-and-naming-living-individuals.300541/

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Yup. This place is valuable to many people - let's not trash it.
 
Sorry - I erroneously stated there was little of interest in this week's Private Eye about alleged sexual misconduct apart from yet another reference to Leon Brittan and an oblique reference to William Hague.

Actually, there was quite a long letter from John Walker (former editor of the Rochdale Alternative Press) rubbishing David Steel's explanation of why he (Steel) did nothing to expose Cyril Smith even though Smith had already been exposed as an alleged abuser.

There is also a smaller item in Rotten Boroughs about the cover-up of alleged abuse in Scarborough, possibly involving Jimmy Savile.

Apologies.
 
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Sorry - I erroneously stated there was little of interest in this week's Private Eye about alleged sexual misconduct apart from yet another reference to Leon Brittan and an oblique reference to William Hague.

Actually, there was quite a long letter from John Walker (former editor of the Rochdale Alternative Press) rubbishing David Steel's explanation of why he (Steel) did nothing to expose Cyril Smith even though Smith had already been exposed as an alleged abuser.

There is also a smaller item in Rotten Boroughs about the cover-up of alleged abuse in Scarborough, possibly involving Jimmy Savile.

Apologies.

And a rather good cartoon regarding Scarborough, Savile, Jaconelli and plod!
 
Actually, there was quite a long letter from John Walker (former editor of the Rochdale Alternative Press) rubbishing David Steel's explanation of why he (Steel) did nothing to expose Cyril Smith even though Smith had already been exposed as an alleged abuser.

I imagine there is lots more to be gleaned by an interrogation of the independent/ radical journals/local left wing newsletters, etc of the 70's, early 80's.
 
Reposted from Needleblog...
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2014/07/12/food-for-thought/

A quote from Michael Havers, brother of Baroness Butler-Sloss, in regard to the victims of Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Riper.
“Some were prostitutes, but perhaps the saddest part of the case is that some were not. The last six attacks were on totally respectable women.” - Robert Michael Oldfield Havers, Baron Havers PC, QC (10 March 1923 – 1 April 1992)

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Oh, for goodness' sake. That was a long time ago. We don't know that the good Dame shares those antiquated views, do we? Do we? Do we?
 
Words don't fail me because I'm painfully aware of what attitudes were like in 1981. It did provoke a backlash from 'feminists' at the time:

These remarks invoked a furious reaction from feminists outside the courtroom, who handed out a statement saying: 'This distinction between prostitutes and "respectable" and "innocent" victims has been made all along by the police and the media - the murder of prostitute women seems irrelevant and unimportant. This attitude towards prostitutes, much the same as the Ripper's, allowed him to carry on murdering women for five years.'

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...cks were on totally respectable women&f=false
 
It just gets worse ...how long can Cameron hold the line against a torrent of criticism or perceived lack of partiality of the good Dame ?



More a lack of competence. I would have thought building a sufficiently accurate timeline when looking into a matter like the one reported is essential. Follow the money (probably less relevant in paedo investigations) and check the dates is investigatory A,B,C.
 
More a lack of competence. I would have thought building a sufficiently accurate timeline when looking into a matter like the one reported is essential. Follow the money (probably less relevant in paedo investigations) and check the dates is investigatory A,B,C.
Please explain for us plebs what the timeline is and what it tells us.
 
So, she's a member of the CofE who conducted and Independent Inquiry into.... the CofE, which didn't want to 'give the press a bishop' - and anyway got hoodwinked on the paedo priests. Now she's leading an Independent Inquiry into... her brother. I'll have to have another look in the dictionary to see what the word 'independent' means.
 
Are these allegations about Dolphin Square the same allegations referred to by Simon Regan (Scallywag) that I'd quoted near the start of this thread?

In the early nineties, in the now defunct Scallywag magazine, which I founded, we interviewed in some depth twelve former inmates at Bryn Estyn who had all been involved in the Wrexham paedophile ring, which the tribunal acknowledges existed. Most of these interviews were extremely harrowing and disturbing, but were gently and sensitively conducted over pub lunches where the victim could relax. We subsequently persuaded ten of them to make sworn affidavits which we proposed to use as back up to half a dozen paedophile stories we later published.

Two of these young men, who had been 14-years-old at the time, swore they had been not only introduced to the paedophile ring operating in the Crest Hotel in Wrexham but had later been escorted on three or four occasions to an address in Pimlico where they were further abused.

We took them separately to Pimlico and asked them to point out the building where this had taken place. They were both positive in their identification. It turned out to be the private flat of a well known, and since highly discredited lobbyist who later went into obscurity in some disgrace because of his involvement with Mohammed al-Fayed and the 'cash for questions' scandal. At the time we ran a story entitled 'Boys for Questions' and named several prominent members of the then Thatcher government. These allegations went to the very top of the Tory party, yet there was a curious and almost ominous lack of writs.

The lobbyist was a notorious 'Queen' who specialised in gay parties with a 'political mix' in the Pimlico area - most convenient to the Commons - and which included selected flats in Dolphin Square. The two young men were able to give us very graphic descriptions of just what went on, including acts of buggery, and alleged that they were only two of many from children's homes other than North Wales.

There was, to my certain knowledge, at least one resignation from the Conservative office in Smith Square once we had published our evidence and named names.
 
this would be the same dolphin square where princess anne lives

This is an old story that did the rounds I seem to remember it was in the Scallywag McAlpine stuff and brings back 3 Tory names that seem to be have absent for a while from the more bucanneer , sailing close to the winds websites where truth may or maybe not hatched. Free spirit we must have had the same thought - there is a 4th key name who was very active in Tory circles at the time but now lives seemingly quietly abroad after stepping down for a non-sexual scandal.
 
Please explain for us plebs what the timeline is and what it tells us.

A timeline can be as simple as one of those lines you used to see in history books showing events form the ancient Egyptians to the modern age.

When unravelling past events, especially when you suspect one or more people are spinning a yarn, it can be most effective to attempt to build a time line from each persons account of the events. When someone provides dates particular events are supposed to have happened you then go and look for evidence to support the date. If dates, (or times) don't tally it can often be an indicator that a person has something to hide.

In the matter the TV report was about the timeline would have included as simple as the date the paedo priest moved into a nursing home and supposedly no longer had contact with children. According to the BBC report,the date provided by the Bishop was 2001, but the priest who took over the parish stated it was 2003. Checking these dates would have been a simple matter for Butler-Sloss. If she didn't check them, or more to the point, have them checked, in such a relatively simple inquiry, it does suggest she is hardly up to the job at hand.
 
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