How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

[DaveCinzano]

the generals plot. They were actually planning a coup if Benn got in, a mildly social democratic left labour man but to them the re-incarnation of vladmir illich

I believe you are referring to the private armies - such as Unison, Civil Assistance and GB75 - set up or proposed by various right-wing types (often with Security Service or military backgrounds) to take the reins of the country during Wilson's last government (1974-1976).

These putative paramilitary forces, and the shenanigans of several MI5 officers, have become known as ‘the Wilson plot’, for reasons which have become lost in the mists of time.

 

[DotCommunist]

I believe you are referring to the private armies - such as Unison, Civil Assistance and GB75 - set up or proposed by various right-wing types (often with Security Service or military backgrounds) to take the reins of the country during Wilson's last government (1974-1976).

These putative paramilitary forces, and the shenanigans of several MI5 officers, have become known as ‘the Wilson plot’, a name whose origins have become lost in the mists of time.

where would I be without you to remember the stuff I only half know?

 

[DaveCinzano]

where would I be without you to remember the stuff I only half know?

King of Muttsville?

 

[laptop]

These putative paramilitary forces, and the shenanigans of several MI5 officers, have become known as ‘the Wilson plot’, a name whose origins have become lost in the mists of time.

You mean "Colonel" Stirling's plot against the dangerous Bolshevik "Harold" Wilson? "The Stirling plot"?

Didn't happen. (If you clicked that, MI5 now has your IP address flagged "sarcastic".)

 

[DotCommunist]

Not sure about Italy, but there's a general delusion that we aren't corrupt "like other countries" that actually smacks of racism. This place is riddled with corruption. It's not so much a government as an open cesspit.

someone made the entirely valid point on another thread that just because we don't have to bribe low level officials we think we are immune to graft and can roll eyes at the likes of say india. Our corruption is more endemic than that, its establishment. It's not wads of used notes in envelopes- it's sincures, it's grace and favour housing tied to the former, it's share tips, it's directorships. Class and corruption just woven in to the fabric.

 

[teqniq]

Here's a handy primer:

Interactive: Who sat with whom at the Conservative Summer Party

 

[laptop]

someone made the entirely valid point on another thread that just because we don't have to bribe low level officials we think we are immune to graft and can roll eyes at the likes of say india. Our corruption is more endemic than that, its establishment. It's not wads of used notes in envelopes- it's sincures, it's grace and favour housing tied to the former, it's share tips, it's directorships. Class and corruption just woven in to the fabric.

I'm trying to remyoember more about the conversation i had with a German law professor (or were they a judge?) which concluded "Of course you don't have "corruption" in the UK. Look who makes your laws!"

 

[DotCommunist]

Here's a handy primer:

Interactive: Who sat with whom at the Conservative Summer Party

I've not clicked the link- but does it reveal who bought the signed by thatcher bottle of bubbly for 45 thousand pounds. Grinding our faces in it eh.

 

[teqniq]

No. I'm afraid not but it is somewhat vomit-inducing and illustrates the way power and influence operate.

Back on track and Cameron has ordered a new inquiry into Westminster child abuse claims

David Cameron has ordered a fresh investigation into what happened to a missing dossier of alleged paedophile activity involving politicians in the 1980s.

The inquiry follows pressure from former ministers and campaigners against child abuse to find the dossier, which was handed to the then home secretary, Leon Brittan, by the Conservative MP Geoffrey Dickens.

Cameron said he understood the concerns that had been raised. "That's why I've asked the permanent secretary at the Home Office [Mark Sedwill] to do everything he can to find answers to all of these questions and to make sure we can reassure people about these events....

I wonder if this is going to be an effort to kick it into the long grass?

 

[The Pale King]

An internal enquiry I think. Seems like they are thinking to quarantine it, offer a sacrificial lamb if need be. Worked for phone hacking.

 

[DotCommunist]

'waiting for the results of the public enquiry'

yeah it's long grass stuff. The matter is under investigation by lord whatever, I cannot comment until those findings etc

 

[kenny g]

No. I'm afraid not but it is somewhat vomit-inducing and illustrates the way power and influence operate.

Back on track and Cameron has ordered a new inquiry into Westminster child abuse claims



I wonder if this is going to be an effort to kick it into the long grass,?

What experience in complex criminal investigations does the permanent secretary at the Home Office have? Is he going to interview participants under caution? Is he trained in effective interview techniques? What investigative powers does he have? This is completely scandalous, and possibly criminal in itself. Touching on conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.

 

[kenny g]

I believe you are referring to the private armies - such as Unison, Civil Assistance and GB75 - set up or proposed by various right-wing types (often with Security Service or military backgrounds) to take the reins of the country during Wilson's last government (1974-1976).

These putative paramilitary forces, and the shenanigans of several MI5 officers, have become known as ‘the Wilson plot’, for reasons which have become lost in the mists of time.

http://www.8bitmode.com/rogerdog/lobster/lobster11.pdf is relevant here. AND

 

[DaveCinzano]

http://www.8bitmode.com/rogerdog/lobster/lobster11.pdf is relevant here.

Tape all the issues of Lobster to a wall, throw a dart, and wherever it lands it will hit something relevant here.

 

[kenny g]

Tape all the issues of Lobster to a wall, throw a dart, and wherever it lands it will hit something relevant here.

Never read the journal before TBH.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Never read the journal before TBH.

Worth checking out Dorril and Ramsay's other stuff:

• MI6: Fifty Years Of Special Operations
• Smear! Wilson And The Secret State
• The Silent Conspiracy: Inside The Intelligence Services In The 1990s
• Prawn Cocktail Party: The Hidden Power Of New Labour
• Pocket Essentials: New Labour

 

[Dillinger4]

It is worth adding The Secret Worlds of Stephen Ward: Sex, Scandal and Deadly Secrets in the Profumo Affair by Anthony Summers and Stephen Dorril to that list. I finished it just the other day. Some of it is extremely relevant to this discussion. I was quite pleased to find that it was dedicated to Guy Debord.

 

[The Pale King]

The Telegraph is leading with this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...nvestigating-Westminster-paedophile-ring.html

 

[elbows]

The Telegraph is leading with this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...nvestigating-Westminster-paedophile-ring.html

Certainly if we take all of the stronger historical mutterings and what can be gleaned from taking a somewhat cautious view of stuff that floats around the net these days, and imagining that there are some perpetrators that have no such internet shadow to date, the number 20 seems within reasonable bounds.

 

[The Pale King]

Certainly if we take all of the stronger historical mutterings and what can be gleaned from taking a somewhat cautious view of stuff that floats around the net these days, and imagining that there are some perpetrators that have no such internet shadow to date, the number 20 seems within reasonable bounds.

It does. In the byline below the headline of the article the number 40 'mps and peers' appears, but I would guess this includes some deceased and some no longer in parliament. Simon Danczuk was on the news last night saying one name in particular keeps being mentioned by victims coming to see him.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think if we're talking about spooks, Gladio (or whatever it was called in all the other countries where it provided a fertile source of criminality and neo-fascist killers and fruitcakes) and all that far-right underground stuff, we're probably talking about a high concentration of sociopaths.

Yep. The "stay-behind" networks that were built with OSS/CIA help certainly provided a ready source of cunts, guns and money, and fostered an attitude of being above the law.

So it's not really a huge surprise if these people don't see anything wrong with raping little kids.

With raping kids and/or facilitating the rape of kids.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Fully agree. Like Italy at the time the intelligence services are complicit and rotten to the core and politicians, media moguls, journalists and the military are in there too.

Even if there's no over-arching "network", there are so many coinciding interests between such people and their "establishments" that complicity comes easily.

Evil fuckers the lot of them. What's the name of the British P2 Lodge equivalent?

I doubt there is one, purely because there doesn't need to be in a nation-state where the "Chinese Walls" between supposedly-incompatible interests are so thin.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That would probably depend on your view of mainstream British freemasonry. P2 was an "irregular" lodge in an unrecognised branch of Italian (quasi-)Freemasonry.

There are many, not least on here, who would argue that mainstream freemasonry in the UK is equally venal, "irregular", and given to criminal activities, up to and including murder.

Except that (for the most part) they're entirely more quotidian than that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Any sort of network of privilege is potential cover for well-connected child rapists.

Edited to add: of course that doesn't mean that all of them are.

As was repeatedly stated on earlier threads.
I think that some posters had a hard time assimilating that, because we're more used to looking at networks as individual vehicles for particular single purposes, than for multiple purposes.

 

[happie chappie]

It’s a fair bet that Cameron would have been briefed about the contents of the file, and what happened to it, before he publically announced Sedwill’s investigation.

If he thought something unpleasant would be revealed , or something that couldn’t be readily swept under the carpet, he wouldn’t have publically asked Sedwill’s to look into the matter in the first place.

It may just be semantics but Cameron’s wording is interesting in this regard:

“ . . . I've asked the permanent secretary at the Home Office to do everything he can to find answers to all of these questions and to make sure we can reassure people about these events. [my emphasis]

In short, he wouldn't be so stupid as to ask a question he doesn't already know the answer to. He already knows nothing embarrassing will come to light.

As a guess, the conclusion of the investigation will be something along the lines of “the appropriate action was taken . . . dossier lost/destroyed during the move to a new building . . . we found no evidence of wrongdoing” etc etc.

Of course, finding evidence of wrongdoing is often a function of how hard you actually look for it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I believe you are referring to the private armies - such as Unison, Civil Assistance and GB75 - set up or proposed by various right-wing types (often with Security Service or military backgrounds) to take the reins of the country during Wilson's last government (1974-1976).

These putative paramilitary forces, and the shenanigans of several MI5 officers, have become known as ‘the Wilson plot’, for reasons which have become lost in the mists of time.

That old fucker Stirling was tied up in a fair bit of shenaniganning in the '60s and '70s, incl. (IIRC) private intelligence-gathering, and fronting some of the recruitment efforts for various of the above undertakings.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Worth checking out Dorril and Ramsay's other stuff:

• MI6: Fifty Years Of Special Operations
• Smear! Wilson And The Secret State
• The Silent Conspiracy: Inside The Intelligence Services In The 1990s
• Prawn Cocktail Party: The Hidden Power Of New Labour
• Pocket Essentials: New Labour

And, if you're interested in the history of British fascism, Dorril's "Blackshirt" bio of Mosley is a very good read.

 

[existentialist]

"Child abuse files lost at Home Office spark fears of cover-up"

I suspect that's not "fears", but legalese for "a certainty".

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/05/lost-child-abuse-files-home-office

"The government faced fresh calls for an overarching inquiry into historical cases of paedophilia as it was revealed that a total of 114 Home Office files relevant to allegations of a child abuse network have disappeared from government records."

This has to be dodgy...

 

[scalyboy]

It is worth adding The Secret Worlds of Stephen Ward: Sex, Scandal and Deadly Secrets in the Profumo Affair by Anthony Summers and Stephen Dorril to that list. I finished it just the other day. Some of it is extremely relevant to this discussion. I was quite pleased to find that it was dedicated to Guy Debord.

I have their 1987 book on the Profumo affair, 'Honeytrap: the scandal' (best analysis of the case I've read). It was a tie-in with the 'Scandal' film: wonder if this is an updated edition with new material? There must be still loads of unpublished info. Apparently, we, the public, are still not allowed to read a transcript of the Ward trial, even though it was over 50 years ago...

House of Lords, 16 January 2014: 'Justice spokesman Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon, pressed to release a full transcript of his trial, told the House: "The government cannot identify a full transcript of the Stephen Ward trial within its records."'

 

[teqniq]

The BBC did a pretty large piece on it on this evening's news