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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

BBC News website saying that Independent on Sunday is reporting Leon Britton has been questioned under caution by police regarding the alleged rape of a woman in the 1960s
 
Today, I spoke to my friend who I have mentioned broke the North Wales Childrens Home scandal, she says there is much much more to come out including links between that scandal and what happened in London.
 
treelover said:
Today, I spoke to my friend who I have mentioned broke the North Wales Childrens Home scandal, she says there is much much more to come out including links between that scandal and what happened in London.
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sounds like some of the stuff that was posted / linked to towards the start of this thread, and long alleged by the North Wales victims.

as it unravels, it does seem that the web articles that seemed very out there at the time, are proving to have been pretty accurate sources, albeit with the mix up with Lord whatshisface.
 
Well at least the question of why the press decided to play silly games with Leon Brittan stuff this week makes more sense with the revelation that he was actually questioned about the alleged rape recently.

I wonder what Exaro News will do now, given their previous approach of going into lots of detail and joining plenty of dots, and simply leaving out names, has been pushed into new territory as a result of the Independent piece. Many of their articles will read differently now to the previously uninitiated.
 
On the wackier Geoffrey Dickens stuff, we also now have this from the Mirror:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mp-who-handed-vip-paedophile-3816675

But soon afterwards, Mr Dickens’ constituency home in Saddleworth, Lancs, and his flat in London were ransacked – and his name was found in a notebook owned by killer Arthur Hutchinson.

The armed robber had murdered a bride’s parents and brother hours after she had got married in Sheffield in 1983.

He had also raped one of the wedding guests.

Hutchinson was jailed for life and told he would serve at least 18 years.

But the sentence was later changed to a whole-life tariff – by Mr Brittan.
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Interesting quote from Norman Tebbit on the Andrew Marr show this morning (as reported on the BBC website http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28182373):

. . .The former Tory minister and party chairman also said there may have been a political cover-up of abuse in the 1980s.

"At that time most people would have thought that the establishment, the system, was to be protected.

"And if a few things had gone wrong here and there that it was more important to protect the system than to delve too far into them.

"That view was wrong then and it has spectacularly shown to have been wrong because the abuses have grown."

Lord Tebbit added that "it was the thing that people did at that time, you didn't talk about those sort of things".
 
Would be interesting to know the timeframe of this 'historical' set of allegations involving a Labour peer.

I.e. do they form part of the Saville/Smith plus assorted Tories, diplomats and spooks cluster or are they something separate, e.g. from the Blair years?
 
Sorry - cocked up Quote function again!

Meant to reply to Treelovers post 2736:

IF it's genuine that's a hell of a list.

For obvious reasons I'm not going to comment on anyone who is still alive but Colin Jordan - arguably Britain's foremost Nazi. Bloody hell!

It does raise a number of questions:

1) The photo of the list appears to have been cropped. I wonder what was at the bottom of the page.

2) Was it the only page, or were there others?

3) Why was the list compiled and who was it intended for?
 
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Its one of the documents from NAYPIC that I often go on about. It was from a bunch of notes that the charity made back in the day when it was talking to some victims and the female manager of the guest house (who subsequently died). It, and a lot of other, less interesting, documents from the same source were crudely photographed and released onto the net, if memory serves me correctly approximately 18 months ago. The police subsequently took away the files as part of their Fernbridge/Fairbanks investigation, files which had been sitting in a shed for a couple of decades. Files that were being looked after by a woman from NAYPIC who does not trust the police and, according to some parts of her historical internet footprint, sometimes suffers from some problems of the mind (e.g. thinks she is related to royalty).

That page is certainly one of the major sources of fuel for the persistent, but rather sloppy and on legally dodgy ground, twitter and broader internet mini shitstorm thats been going for quite some time now.

I'm pretty sure that even Chris Faye, who worked for NAYPIC back in the day, characterised the documents as being a starting point for proper investigation, not some cast iron smoking gun thing. For example I don't think its in dispute that Elm Guest House was a gay brothel, and evidence of attendance is not, on its own, evidence of child abuse.
 
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I'm pretty sure that even Chris Faye, who worked for NAYPIC back in the day, characterised the documents as being a starting point for proper investigation, not some cast iron smoking gun thing. For example I don't think its in dispute that Elm Guest House was a gay brothel, and evidence of attendance is not, on its own, evidence of child abuse.
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I know connections have been alleged with children in care. But the guest house, generally, would have been trading as a bit of a gay knocking shop, of which here are still a couple in West London. So, famous people who visited there (and who were listed by Carol Kasir) might have simply been visiting discreetly with partners or rent boys.

I heard from a friend of mine - whose mother worked with Cliff Richard back in the day - that Cliff wasn't thought to be gay but he just liked to dress up. And, in those days, you needed a discreet place to be able to do that
 
Bernie Gunther said:
Would be interesting to know the timeframe of this 'historical' set of allegations involving a Labour peer.

I.e. do they form part of the Saville/Smith plus assorted Tories, diplomats and spooks cluster or are they something separate, e.g. from the Blair years?
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No. Before the Blair years. Well before.
 
Just to reiterate something about the "Dickens Dossier" that Leon Brittan seems to have mislaid.

Dickens was a key figure in the 'Satanic Panics' see e.g. http://barthsnotes.com/2014/07/02/geoffrey-dickens-child-abuse-claims-and-satanic-panic/

Based on his witch-hunting activities contemporary with that dossier, I would be extremely sceptical about any allegations he was making.

There may be some real evidence but based on the rest of what he was up to at the time, there's also likely to be a lot "Satan ate my baby" stuff made up by fundie headcases.

edited to provide a more concise link.
 
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