How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

[butchersapron]

Nope, I don't frequent the Icke forums at all. Good to see that anyone arguing against the narrative that is being spouted here is immediately Icke'd, strange that.

After your first post you have no credibility here. You're used to being turned away for your truth-seeking, so save us all some time and go. Or present some credibility establishing work.

 

[antibalas]

Interesting.

Anything to substantiate any of your claims, or are people supposed to take it on trust?

I would suggest you take some time out over at the spotlight on abuse blog, check out of some of the reporting over the years, also the Needle blog will provide you with some good insight.

You will soon find out that some of our most senior politicians are there for very specific reasons, look into Keith Vaz being the solicitor for Richmond council during the Elm Guest House raid, he denies any knowledge of it. Harriet Harman and Jack Dromney whilst at NCCL pushing the pro PIE line of consent being lowered to 4 years old. How about Margaret Hodge overseeing more then a decade of abuse in Islington care homes, to then get the nomination of the safe Barking seat and to go on to come Minister of Children.

Why don't we ponder the arrest of Peter Righton, who was the 'expert' helping to define Govt policy on Childrens Care homes whilst buggering as many children as he could get away with (which he did as he was only found guilty for the photographs).

What about Operation Ore being D-noticed? I especially enjoy the puff piece the BBC released not long after the Savile revelations.

Ohh, why don't we all wait until the Kincora investigation kicks in, will the Secret Services have to admit in facilitating the abuse of children in the national interest due to security?

Have a look into the Waterhouse report, check out the terms of reference and why names of senior politicians were kept out of the reports.

Hey, I would keep on and on and on. But Elbow wouldn't like that, it is not in keeping with the faceless/disconnected/random propagation of Child Sexual Abuse that has been rife in this country for decades, no centuries.

As you were.

 

[Delroy Booth]

That's some hard hitting truth you got there mate *tips fedora

 

[Frances Lengel]

Nope, I don't frequent the Icke forums at all. Good to see that anyone arguing against the narrative that is being spouted here is immediately Icke'd, strange that.

That's nearly an anagram of dicked.

 

[butchersapron]

Amazing that everything he (is that you pie and mash?) mentions has been covered in non-hysterical detail on this very thread. Often by elbows. Righton, for example, mentioned on this thread october last year. Save us from the savers.

 

[antibalas]

After you first post you have no credibility here. You're used to being turned away for your truth-seeking, so save us all some time and go. Or present some credibility establishing work.

I have no interest in establishing anything here, i have seen a link to Elbow's rubbish a couple of times and it is very obvious the line that is being pushed.

Go do your own research rather than rely upon the sponsored crap that is being peddled.

 

[butchersapron]

I would suggest you take some time out over at the spotlight on abuse blog, check out of some of the reporting over the years, also the Needle blog will provide you with some good insight.

You will soon find out that some of our most senior politicians are there for very specific reasons, look into Keith Vaz being the solicitor for Richmond council during the Elm Guest House raid, he denies any knowledge of it. Harriet Harman and Jack Dromney whilst at NCCL pushing the pro PIE line of consent being lowered to 4 years old. How about Margaret Hodge overseeing more then a decade of abuse in Islington care homes, to then get the nomination of the safe Barking seat and to go on to come Minister of Children.

Why don't we ponder the arrest of Peter Righton, who was the 'expert' helping to define Govt policy on Childrens Care homes whilst buggering as many children as he could get away with (which he did as he was only found guilty for the photographs).

What about Operation Ore being D-noticed? I especially enjoy the puff piece the BBC released not long after the Savile revelations.

Ohh, why don't we all wait until the Kincora investigation kicks in, will the Secret Services have to admit in facilitating the abuse of children in the national interest due to security?

Have a look into the Waterhouse report, check out the terms of reference and why names of senior politicians were kept out of the reports.

Hey, I would keep on and on and on. But Elbow wouldn't like that, it is not in keeping with the faceless/disconnected/random propagation of Child Sexual Abuse that has been rife in this country for decades, no centuries.

As you were.

This is actually an astonishing confused silly post. It says that it was only individuals that took part in individual or organised child abuse. Whilst highlighting the structural ways in which it was facilitated. And at the same time, look at the report those same structures made into themselves, that's where the key to truth lies.

Joker. Is it you pie and mash?

 

[free spirit]

I have no interest in establishing anything here, i have seen a link to Elbow's rubbish a couple of times and it is very obvious the line that is being pushed.

Go do your own research rather than rely upon the sponsored crap that is being peddled.

what the fuck do you think this thread is about?

2256 posts of various people doing precisely that. Well, ok not exactly, but a few hundred posts along those lines, with admittedly a lot of more sceptical posts as well - but that's also needed to force a bit of rigour into the investigations rather than people being allowed to get away with posting up unsubstantiated allegations.

 

[benedict]

I have no interest in establishing anything here, i have seen a link to Elbow's rubbish a couple of times and it is very obvious the line that is being pushed.

Go do your own research rather than rely upon the sponsored crap that is being peddled.

This is thin gruel indeed.

The aggression you're displaying towards Elbows combined with the classic conspiracist mode of reasoning* suggests you have little to contribute to a rational discussion of this topic, unfortunately.

*X worked at Y council as an F
Y also worked at S as a D
S went to the elite public school Z
where P, convicted of Q, was in the year above
etc ad nauseum (complete with pics)

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I have no interest in establishing anything here, i have seen a link to Elbow's rubbish a couple of times and it is very obvious the line that is being pushed.

Go do your own research rather than rely upon the sponsored crap that is being peddled.

If you have no interest in establishing credibility for your views, then don't be surprised if people here treat them with derision.

You even started out by rubbishing someone who has consistently demonstrated a willingness to produce credible supporting evidence.

I'd also, given that you don't seem to want to support your theories with evidence, refer you to the following FAQ.

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/conspiracy-threads-policy.179530/

 

[ViolentPanda]

I would suggest you take some time out over at the spotlight on abuse blog, check out of some of the reporting over the years, also the Needle blog will provide you with some good insight.

I lived some of the shit. I had friends in care who were brutalised. I don't need to check blogs to garner facts I've known about and investigated myself for the last 30 years.

You will soon find out that some of our most senior politicians are there for very specific reasons, look into Keith Vaz being the solicitor for Richmond council during the Elm Guest House raid, he denies any knowledge of it.

Because a borough solicitor is always informed about every legal undertaking across a council, aren't they? Vaz's claim is plausible. It's plausible because a dept that deals with hundreds of legal issues every day only pass the most important stuff up to the head honchos.

Harriet Harman and Jack Dromney whilst at NCCL pushing the pro PIE line of consent being lowered to 4 years old.

His name is Dromey, and while he was on the NEC of the NCCL, he wasn't part of the structure, he sat on the board. You're thinking of Harriet Harman and Patricia Hewitt, who were and they didn't "push the PIE line", they allowed the Paedophile Information Exchange to become an affiliate member of the NCCL, mostly on the strength of the police and state treating all homosexuals as potential paedophiles, and because some of PIE's gay members were indeed pursued by the police for their homosexual predelictions, not because of any commitment to lowering the age of sexual consent.

How about Margaret Hodge overseeing more then a decade of abuse in Islington care homes, to then get the nomination of the safe Barking seat and to go on to come Minister of Children.

What about it?
If you exclude every former councillor; council executive; council worker or local politician from government, what are you left with? A bunch of lawyers and accountants.

You're pumping hyperbole, when what you should be doing is looking to the actual facts. Hang Hewitt, Dromey and Harman for being gullible; do the same to Hodge for being an overbearing cunt who missed many opportunities to minimise abuse of children in her council's care, but don't shit out this crap about Hodge "overseeing abuse" or about Harman and co "pushing the PIE line", because anyone with an ounce of sense knows it's hyperbolic bullshit, and that you don't need hyperbolic bullshit to nail those implicated.

Why don't we ponder the arrest of Peter Righton, who was the 'expert' helping to define Govt policy on Childrens Care homes whilst buggering as many children as he could get away with (which he did as he was only found guilty for the photographs).

What about Operation Ore being D-noticed? I especially enjoy the puff piece the BBC released not long after the Savile revelations.

Ohh, why don't we all wait until the Kincora investigation kicks in, will the Secret Services have to admit in facilitating the abuse of children in the national interest due to security?

We already know all we need to know about Kincora. Any intelligence admissions (if that happens) only fill out what Wallace and Holroyd reported more than 30 years ago.

Have a look into the Waterhouse report, check out the terms of reference and why names of senior politicians were kept out of the reports.

Hey, I would keep on and on and on. But Elbow wouldn't like that, it is not in keeping with the faceless/disconnected/random propagation of Child Sexual Abuse that has been rife in this country for decades, no centuries.

As you were.

You really haven't bothered to read this thread, have you?
If you'd actually made the effort, you'd know that the attributions you make of elbows are about as valid as a three day old bus ticket, and that most of what you've spewed in this post has already been discussed and analysed to a much greater degree than your hyperbolic efforts.

Try again, this time with something less sensationalist and more fact-heavy, eh?

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's nearly an anagram of dicked.

Nearly an anagram of balanitis, except for an errant "a".

 

[ViolentPanda]

Amazing that everything he (is that you pie and mash?) mentions has been covered in non-hysterical detail on this very thread. Often by elbows. Righton, for example, mentioned on this thread october last year. Save us from the savers.

I don't mind people believing that they're crusading knights for truth. What I do mind is when they piss out hyperbole and pretend that the hyperbole is fact. They actually shit on proper investigation by giving those (who may or may not be the state) who are defending the paedophiles ammunition - allowing them to say "well that is complete bollocks, so the rest could be too".
Fucking self-righteous idiots looking to score, and scoring fucking own goals.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't mind people believing that they're crusading knights for truth. What I do mind is when they piss out hyperbole and pretend that the hyperbole is fact. They actually shit on proper investigation by giving those (who may or may not be the state) who are defending the paedophiles ammunition - allowing them to say "well that is complete bollocks, so the rest could be too".
Fucking self-righteous idiots looking to score, and scoring fucking own goals.

And if others were doing it their response would be - i wonder who gains by doing that - i,e suggesting that they're paedos looking to muddy the waters.

 

[free spirit]

I have no interest in establishing anything here, i have seen a link to Elbow's rubbish a couple of times and it is very obvious the line that is being pushed.

Go do your own research rather than rely upon the sponsored crap that is being peddled.

I'll just repost this part of my opening post on this thread.

This thread is aimed at joining the dots of public domain evidence of locations, related prosecutions, witness / personal accounts, and related evidence (from reputable sources only please).

This thread is *NOT* a thread for naming names of anyone still living who's not been found guilty in court. Anyone naming names is likely to get this thread closed, and / or potentially the editor being sued and the site closed down.

There are a long list of institutions where long term systemic abuse has been proven in court over the last few decades, but these prosecutions largely seem to focus on individuals, and ignore or actually hide evidence of the involvement of wider networks of abusers

There's a fine line needing to be trodden on this thread between discussing the latest developments and ending up potentially naming innocent people, or those not proven to be guilty, who could potentially end up suing this site / having the site taken down. Or more likely, ending up with the thread being locked by the moderating team here if the line is being crossed.

If you've got useful, credible information to add to the thread, then please do, but please don't come steaming in with wild allegations and end up getting the thread locked.

 

[elbows]

What about Operation Ore being D-noticed?

Operation Ore was an interesting case. The sheer scale of the thing was a challenge, one that the authorities did not exactly rise to. I believe they mostly targeted people who were in contact with children, at least at first, and that out of the 7000ish names, they only prosecuted a fraction of them numbering in the low thousands at most.

Various press were certainly given lists of names. This lead to articles talking about how many city people were named, for example. There were rumours about 2 senior labour politicians, but there are contradictory reports in the press about the quality of such rumours. I assume the conspiracy theory about a D-notice stemmed from this. Specifically a Sunday Herald article from January 2003 said that a senior source in british intelligence confirmed to them that a former high-profile Labour cabinet member was on the list of Ore suspects. The Herald said they could not name the person for legal reasons, and that the rumour about another Labour person was still unsubstantiated. I doubt anything else of note ever came out about this, and the conspiracy theorists simply took this stuff and turned it into their D-Note 'facts' about 2 labour politicians. I'd like to know the truth of the matter, but that requires access to the information, or people in the know speaking out. Not idiots distorting stuff and filling in the gaps in a sloppy way.

We have certainly seen historical examples of politicians and well-connected people being let off lightly or shielded from publicity to varying degrees. The way Operation Ore was handled certainly had the potential to enable similar phenomenon. The extent to which it did is unknown.

Thanks to everyone for the kind words and the attempts to deal with the buffoonery.

 

[fogbat]

Nearly an anagram of balanitis, except for an errant "a".

Anal baits.

 

[butchersapron]

Its banal

Not it's not.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Operation Ore was an interesting case. The sheer scale of the thing was a challenge, one that the authorities did not exactly rise to. I believe they mostly targeted people who were in contact with children, at least at first, and that out of the 7000ish names, they only prosecuted a fraction of them numbering in the low thousands at most.

Various press were certainly given lists of names. This lead to articles talking about how many city people were named, for example. There were rumours about 2 senior labour politicians, but there are contradictory reports in the press about the quality of such rumours. I assume the conspiracy theory about a D-notice stemmed from this. Specifically a Sunday Herald article from January 2003 said that a senior source in british intelligence confirmed to them that a former high-profile Labour cabinet member was on the list of Ore suspects. The Herald said they could not name the person for legal reasons, and that the rumour about another Labour person was still unsubstantiated. I doubt anything else of note ever came out about this, and the conspiracy theorists simply took this stuff and turned it into their D-Note 'facts' about 2 labour politicians. I'd like to know the truth of the matter, but that requires access to the information, or people in the know speaking out. Not idiots distorting stuff and filling in the gaps in a sloppy way.

We have certainly seen historical examples of politicians and well-connected people being let off lightly or shielded from publicity to varying degrees. The way Operation Ore was handled certainly had the potential to enable similar phenomenon. The extent to which it did is unknown.

Thanks to everyone for the kind words and the attempts to deal with the buffoonery.

Wasn't there also a "contamination" issue with the dataset mined (pardon the pun) by Operation Ore? Something about it being mixed in with legitmate website subscriptions for "normal" porn sites?

 

[benedict]

Yes, and additional problems with fraud. Good stuff on this is the work by Duncan Campbell, especially this lengthy piece.

 

[elbows]

Wasn't there also a "contamination" issue with the dataset mined (parden the pun) by Operation Ore? Something about it being mixed in with legitmate website subscriptions for "normal" porn sites?

Not had a chance to check out the pc pro article yet, but claims about widespread credit card fraud have been used to attempt to clear peoples names since then. I'm not sure what the appeal outcomes were though.

eg:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jul/02/web-child-abuse-inquiry-challenge

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/nov/10/child-pornography-accused-could-be-cleared

In particular there is some useful detail in there that tends to suggest different charges were brought if, for example no child porn evidence was found on their computers.

A lesser charge than possession, incitement was used in those cases where someone's details were on the Landslide database but there were no images found on the suspect's computer or in his home.

O'Shea's home was raided in 2002 but no images were found. Saltrese said his case was that he accessed adult pornography but that his legal team would produce evidence that his credit card had been fraudulently used to access a paedophile site within Landslide.

At the time the card was used O'Shea was at a festival in the south-west of England, Saltrese said.

Ceop says its figures suggest that 161 individuals were convicted of incitement, with 68% pleading guilty. But Saltrese, who represents dozens of those convicted, believes the figure could be much higher. A separate campaign group says that it is dealing with the cases of more than 80 men.

Plus lets not forget Del Naja from Massive Attack, police took away his stuff to look at but he was not charged:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2003/apr/11/artsfeatures.popandrock

On February 25, two weeks after the release of their fourth album, 100th Window, and on the eve of their first world tour for four years, Del Naja was arrested in his home town of Bristol as part of Operation Ore, a crackdown on child pornography on the internet. As is usual in these cases, the police raided his home, removing videos and computer equipment. A month later, on March 25, his property was returned: Avon and Somerset police had dropped the investigation.

Del Naja says he was "caught in the sweep" of Operation Ore, the investigation into internet paedophilia founded on a list of 7,300 UK-based credit card numbers passed on to the national crime squad by the FBI. Del Naja's credit card number was among them. In 1999, his card had been charged $3 by a website - he doesn't remember which one, he says, but probably some porn site.

"The company that it's attributed to owns hundreds of websites, all different, some of which are absolutely vile, hideous. I was away in London and somebody phoned up and told me they'd been let into my house by a mate of mine. They took everything, every video, every memory stick, every hard drive, spent a month analysing it and found absolutely nothing."

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes, and additional problems with fraud. Good stuff on this is the work by Duncan Campbell, especially this lengthy piece.

Interesting tidbit from the pcpro article w/r/t the dataset: "Landslide only operated one SQL database, so subscribers to the adult verification service were lumped in with those who had paid for or requested Keyz sites, of whatever kind."
Keyz being the portal for the child porn site.

 

[elbows]

Operation Pallial (North Wales) updates from recent weeks:

18th Arrest: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/operation-pallial-police-make-18th-6399541

Yet more charges for John Allen: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-25467366

The court heard he has been charged with 14 extra offences, including nine indecent assaults, one rape and two serious sexual assaults, bringing the total to 49.

The judge was told the charges follow allegations by eight more complainants.

Mr Allen, the ex-head of the Bryn Alyn Community which ran homes in north Wales, will next appear at Mold Crown Court on 7 February, 2014.

Also I can't remember if we mentioned it at the time, but back in November there was an update from the police which revealed the number of victims who had come forwards has surpassed 200.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-24833667

Chief crown prosecutor for CPS Wales Ed Beltrami said: "We are now very clear that the focus must be on the overall credibility of an allegation, rather than the perceived weakness of the person making it."

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Interesting tidbit from the pcpro article w/r/t the dataset: "Landslide only operated one SQL database, so subscribers to the adult verification service were lumped in with those who had paid for or requested Keyz sites, of whatever kind."
Keyz being the portal for the child porn site.

Plus it looks like at least some of the credit cards details used were hacked.

More than half of the money Landslide took from credit cards was paid to their ring. The gang was supplying extremely unpleasant pornography over the internet, some of it depicting young children being raped and abused. But the undisclosed computer evidence shows they were also in the simpler and less risky business of card fraud.

And every time a stolen British card was used, its owner's name was added as a potential suspect for the future Operation Ore. On Landslide websites which computer records show were simply vehicles for fraud, 90% of the people cheated never noticed or complained. The total level of fraud was probably well over 50%.

By August 1999, the enormous level and cost of chargebacks had sunk Landslide. Reedy is now in US federal prison serving a 180-year sentence for allowing it to be used for child porn trafficking.

But how can we be sure that the card details really were stolen, and not being used by their owners? Jim Bates of Computer Investigations, who acted as an expert witness for a number of defence cases, examined the newly uncovered Landslide website log of all recent activity. The log recorded when credit cards were signed up and charged - and, critically, whether the person putting in the card details then went on to visit the porn site they had paid for. Bates found that not only did thousands of the supposed porn buyers not go to get their porn; many of the sites had been set up purely for fraud. His checks were evidential tests that the UK police seem to have forgotten to take.

The CPS was asked by the Guardian to comment on whether this step was taken, but at the time of going to press, it had not responded.

Top of the list of spurious websites was Keyzsexyplace, set up on April 4 1999 by young Brazilian hacker Antonio Francisco "Nino" Tornisiello, from Piracicaba, near Sao Paulo in Brazil. By the time Landslide collapsed, Tornisiello had logged 3,181 sign-ups, most of them using stolen British credit card data. "Tornisiello's hacking stood out like a sore thumb," Bates told me. "The police experts couldn't have failed to notice it if they were competent, but they claimed they saw nothing." <snip>

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2007/apr/19/hitechcrime.money

That's something that can happen to anyone very easily unless they're totally paranoid about who they do e-commerce with and how.

See e.g. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/12/non-us-cards-used-at-target-fetch-premium/ and a ton of similar stories on his site.

From which it follows that anyone can find themselves getting nicked as a cyber-nonce (and on past form their details leaked to the press) by a bunch of gung-ho coppers who haven't done their homework properly.

 

[existentialist]

Nope, I don't frequent the Icke forums at all. Good to see that anyone arguing against the narrative that is being spouted here is immediately Icke'd, strange that.

You're doing a bit more than "arguing against the narrative". You seem to have a personal hard-on for ripping into, most specifically, elbows' posts, but not actually providing any evidence for your objections.

My experience of elbows' postings are that he seems at great pains to distance his personal opinions from the facts he is reporting, and whenever I've had cause to check what he has said, it's been unimpeachable.

So when someone comes on, straight out of the traps, firing invective all over the place and insisting that elbows has some kind of Dark Agenda, I for one am going to be coming over a bit about it. And nothing you've said beyond that has made me any less suspicious.

So, for all your spluttering, it's no wonder that quite a few people are starting to mark you down as a loon. You may want to put up, or shut up, if you don't want that to continue.

 

[existentialist]

I have no interest in establishing anything here, i have seen a link to Elbow's rubbish a couple of times and it is very obvious the line that is being pushed.

Go do your own research rather than rely upon the sponsored crap that is being peddled.

You may not realise this, but this kind of demand - "go and find out for yourself" - is straight out of Conspiraloon 101. If you are remotely interested in persuading people that a respected and authoritative poster is posting rubbish, you are at least going to match his attention to detail when citing your sources. Attacking a poster who is quite careful to tell you where he gets his information from with a few broad-brush claims - which, as butchersapron points out, have already been dealt with on the thread anyway - isn't going to get you very far, except perhaps onto a few people's ignore lists.

 

[elbows]

Some Kincora stuff in freshly released papers from NI.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-25436738

Following these convictions, a meeting was held on 9 February 1982 between NIO Parliamentary Under-Secretary John Patten and RUC Deputy Chief Constable Michael McAtamney to discuss the forthcoming Committee of Inquiry.

The minister asked Mr McAtamney informally "whether any major revelations of a criminal nature might still emerge" that might warrant a judicial inquiry.

The senior RUC officer said he did not think so, although he feared that if McGrath was called to give evidence, "he might, for malicious or other reasons, make fresh allegations".

Lots of other bits and bobs in the article, I can't be quoting it all.

One aspect the BBC story doesn't go into any detail about is picked up by the Belfast Telegraph:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...incora-suspect-preacher-to-walk-29868826.html

According to the memo, Mr Havers learned that the RUC was investigating three separate aspects of the Kincora affair.

"The first concerned a man... who in 1972 was falsely acquitted on the basis of perjured evidence; the file on his case has subsequently been destroyed by a bomb," the memo reports.

Mr Havers was also told how the man may have withheld information on a notorious murder which took place nine years earlier.

The body of 10-year-old Brian McDermott was discovered in a sack in the River Lagan in September, 1973. No one was ever convicted of the killing. The meeting was told that the information provided "conflicted with what the RUC had previously told ministers and officials".

Sounds like plenty of stuff was redacted. The press coverage of this release also suggests the politicians etc were well aware at the time of 'rumours and gossip' but didn't seem to think it would go away and they didn't seem too keen on trying that hard to make it go away via honesty and transparency.

 

[elbows]

Exaro is reporting that the Sidney Cooke branch of the investigation has turned into a murder investigation. This is not surprising given other crimes he is associated with.

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5174/met-s-vip-paedophiles-probe-turns-into-murder-investigation

 

[elbows]

Found another mainstream press thing from December that I'd missed. It's a strand we've heard much about before, and where expectations of an arrest have been raised several times without a result yet.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...abinet-minister-over-child-sex-abuse.23015992

A former Cabinet minister in Margaret Thatcher's government is being investigated in connection with historic child sex offences and is facing arrest in the near future, the Sunday Herald has learned.

The former Tory politician is being investigated by detectives leading Operation Fernbridge, which is investigating claims that political figures and others sexually abused boys at various locations in England.

There have already been two arrests: one, a former care-home boss, and the other a Roman Catholic priest.

Scotland Yard said last night that the charges related to seven victims aged between nine and 15, with the alleged offences dating back to the 1970s and 1980s. A third, unnamed man was interviewed but later released with no further action taken.

The Thatcher-era Cabinet minister is believed to be the highest-profile target of Operation Fernbridge detectives.

One source close to Operation Fernbridge said last night: "When it comes to who is involved, the police do not care how important or high profile they are - these people will not be getting away with it any longer."

Last night, a source close to Operation Fernbridge said: "Police and MI5 knew about the allegations involving [the former Tory Cabinet minister] years ago. He's already been spoken to by police. I'd expect an arrest in the near future.

"If the arrest happens - and I trust it will - it means that there has been a massive cover-up for decades at the heart of British politics. An arrest would blow this apart. We're at a watershed moment. The public must know."

One of the alleged victims of the Thatcher-era Cabinet minister is believed to be so "damaged", however, that he would be unfit to take the stand in any criminal case.

A political source said last night: "It is thought there is lots of intelligence, but it is not yet high enough to reach the bar for an arrest to be made. There's lots of circumstantial evidence that needs further inquiry." The source added that he knew the former Cabinet minister is being investigated by the police, but could not confirm that an arrest was imminent.

 

[elbows]

And a most disturbing update at the bottom of the Exaro story from December about footage showing a cabinet minister attending a related sex party.

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5...unit-seizes-video-of-ex-minister-at-sex-party

January 11th 2014:

The Security Service, MI5, and Scotland Yard's Special Branch are understood to be taking a close interest in the investigations by the Met's paedophile unit.

The witness claims that MI5 officers sat in on a formal interview with him conducted by police. He says that police told him this after the interview.

He also claims that the Met's Special Branch, which often works in effect as MI5's police arm, is keeping close watch on developments.

Exaro has established that one section of the Met has been tapping the witness's telephone.

It is also understood that a Special Branch officer has been posing as a journalist in an attempt to contact several witnesses in Operations Fernbridge and Fairbank. One officer falsely claimed to the key witness to be a reporter from the Sunday People.

The developments have raised alarm because of the intelligence services' track record to help cover up evidence of child sex abuse by senior politicians and other prominent people, such as Sir Cyris Smith, the former Liberal MP who was exposed as a paedophile following his death in 2010.