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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

Interesting charge: perverting the course of justice. Given there's been no trial i would guess this relates then to fabricating evidence?
 
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As as someone who dallies with theories about conspiracies more than many urbanites, Fellows blotted his copybook for me when he "disappeared" for quite a few days earlier this year.

BEN FELLOWS DONE GONE MISSING!!! went up the cry in the land of Conspiranoia and it all looked possibly worrying.

Then TA-DA, he turns up right as rain to a heroes welcome at the BBerg protests.
 
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ws/former-bbc-broadcaster-stuart-hall-6228990


Disgraced former broadcaster Stuart Hall was arrested today to be questioned over new allegations of sex offences.

The development comes a day after he was stripped of his OBE.

Hall, 83, was taken from prison and arrested 'on suspicion of a number of sexual offences' this morning, Lancashire Police said.

A spokesman said he would be questioned throughout the day.

In a statement, Lancashire Police said: “The allegations are historic and relate to two alleged female victims aged between 12 and 15 at the time.

“They allegedly took place in the Manchester and Derbyshire area between 1974 and 1980.
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Steve Messham at the end of his tether and blowing whistles in the last hour or so:

steven messham ‏@smessham2h
Either the NCA are pushing me to the wire or they think its a bluff. IT IS NO BLUFF NAMES START IN 14 MINS.Its such a shame they ignore me
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steven messham ‏@smessham2h
BK Cheshire.GC Wrexham former PC PS.Flint,Bagillt,Wrexham and Chirk.JT Wrexham TF Wrexham
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steven messham ‏@smessham1h
Think i have been more than good to the NCA and North wales police so far but if i do not get an answer from them within the hour more names
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Haven't been following the thread as closely recently so no comment from me on credibility, just reporting it as seems potentially relevant.
 
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elbows said:
For obvious reasons I'm not going to repeat any names and I don't expect this to go down well with the justice system.
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Should I not have done? Simply reporting what's been claimed in the public domain is perfectly acceptable I'd have thought. As I said - no comment on credibility, as I literally have no idea either way on that front.

Tagging editor and FridgeMagnet in case not.
 
brogdale said:
This is encouraging stuff from Exaro:-

I could only C&P from Henke's own blog


"...six former Conservative MPs...":eek:
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Interestingly, the Exaro piece linked from the blog says "Police have also taken very seriously an allegation from a woman who came forward to claim that the ex-minister raped her in the 1960’s."

I invite readers to draw, but not to post, their own conclusions, given a recent arrest.
 
Corax said:
Should I not have done? Simply reporting what's been claimed in the public domain is perfectly acceptable I'd have thought. As I said - no comment on credibility, as I literally have no idea either way on that front.

Tagging editor and FridgeMagnet in case not.
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@smessham
I HAVE JUST BEEN TOLD TO DELETE THE NAMES I PUT ON BY NORTH WALES POLICE I COULD BE IN TROUBLE IF I DONT AND MANY OTHER THINGS WERE SAID
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Yeah, just saw that too. In all honesty though SM's state of mind is clearly not great, so what the police actually told him remains a question. As does the veracity of his claims tbh. It's all a bit of a Catch22, as if his claims are all true then his state of mind is completely understandable, but it's impossible to know from a distance which is chicken and which is egg...

Anyhow, I've edited it to initials to be on the safe side. No names that I recognise as public figures there anyway - so it makes no difference in is some respects - I expect a 192 search wouldn't narrow each down to fewer than a couple of dozen possibilities anyway. Locations are probably largely irrelevant - people move.
 
He's definitely not in a good place mentally. I saw a tweet earlier suggesting he was on the move - ie, to avoid being pulled in by plod. Who knows. Tragic all the same :(
 
Mr.Bishie said:
He's definitely not in a good place mentally. I saw a tweet earlier suggesting he was on the move - ie, to avoid being pulled in by plod. Who knows. Tragic all the same :(
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Aye. Can't help thinking he needs someone to just take him under their wing for a bit, tea and sympathy. Someone not wearing a uniform of any sort though. Won't make things right for him I know, but just a bit of respite.
 
This probably belongs here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24722248

A former BBC driver accused of sex offences has been found dead.

David Smith, 67, from Lewisham, south-east London, had been due to stand trial at Southwark Crown Court for allegedly abusing a boy, 12, in 1984.

Smith was the first person to be charged under the investigation into historical cases of abuse, which was originally set up in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal.
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Back to the police and Savile:


More police officers to be investigated over link with paedophile Jimmy Savile

But today we can disclose further officers from West Yorkshire – Savile’s local force – may be quizzed.

We have learned that, as well as passing the Starkey allegations to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), the force has made another referral.

The IPCC told us it involves “a number of different officers” who had contact with the prolific child sex offender.
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Last week the IPCC asked Sussex Police to refer the conduct of two detectives over their handling of an indecent assault claim against him in 2008.

It is claimed police told Savile’s victim his lawyers would make “mincemeat” of her in court.

The probe – Operation Baseball – ended with Savile evading justice.
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The IPCC said it has requested further information from the Met and Surrey Police about their dealings with Savile.

Surrey’s two-year investigation into Savile also ended in him escaping justice over three claims.
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I had missed these serious claims against special branch by Chris Fay (of NAYPIC) a few weeks ago, probably because they were in the Express.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/43...-paedophiles-says-ex-child-protection-officer

Mr Fay, 67, of south London, said: “It became very dangerous. People seem to forget that Special Branch could do what they liked, they were a law unto themselves.

“At one point they had me up against a wall by my throat with a gun at my head telling me in no uncertain terms that I was to back away if I knew what was good for me.
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“A colleague of mine had the same treatment, as did a number of the volunteers. Victims who were actually abused at Elm House were also physically stopped from coming to speak to us at the NAYPIC office in north London.

“I witnessed Special Branch officers manhandling them and turning them away with a warning to keep their mouths shut. It was blatant, it was open, they were acting like gangsters.
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However, Mr Fay said: “I was told by the police implicitly, ‘We do not want you to come to us with big names’.”

In a sinister twist, he said his kitchen window was shot at, leaving three bullet holes in the glass, although he never found out who was responsible.
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elbows said:
I had missed these serious claims against special branch by Chris Fay (of NAYPIC) a few weeks ago, probably because they were in the Express.
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It was all in the Pie & Mash bloke's video interview with him linked to upthread - probably even more nuggets buried in that, it was a long one (I certainly didn't make it through to the end).
 
Tom Watson writing in the Mirror:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tom-watson-after-30-years-2824776

The retired insider told me that he recalled raising his concern that the Volunteer Services Unit of the Home Office was directly funding the work of PIE.

His recollection was that he raised his fears with superiors but was left in no doubt that he should drop the matter.

I’ve written to the Home Secretary asking her to initiate an inquiry.
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Sadly, Geoffrey Dickens died before the leader of PIE and former Home Office employee Stephen Freeman, was finally jailed in 2011, for possession of thousands of indecent images of children.

I’ve asked the current Home Office to publish the Dickens dossiers but guess what? The files have gone missing, prompting Theresa May to hold an internal inquiry.

I want her to publish all the findings of the investigation, so that parliament can be assured that it was incompetence and not wrongdoing that lead to the loss of a senior minister’s files in most unusual circumstances.

I hope that 30 years after the former boxing MP submitted his dossier to the Home Office, we can get the answer to the knock out question he was asking: who protected the Paedophile Information Exchange?
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I reckon it was probably the 'voluntary services unit' which has more references to it on the internet, although may well have been rebranded since.

e.g. the following which don't contain directly related info but do suggest the existence of such a unit:

1979: The National Association of Victims Support Schemes was created as an ‘umbrella body’ for the local schemes. Funding comes from private trusts and the Home Office's Voluntary Services Unit.

(from http://www.victimsupport.org.uk/about-us/history-and-achievements/key-events-and-achievements )

Drafting documents within Voluntary Services Unit, Home Office for written parliamentary question from David Alton MP

(from http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/HOM000003480001.html )
 
Or slightly more usefully:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/details?Uri=C11689468

This series deals with the role, contribution, functions and expansion of the voluntary sector and deals with a mix of operational and policy matters. It includes subjects such as committees set up to look into the role of the voluntary sector in the field of social services, community work and development, government support and review of funding of local projects, urban programmes, research into victims of crime, rehabilitation of drug users, race relations and support for displaced refugees from overseas.
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The Voluntary Services Unit was responsible for the co-ordination of government action in relation to voluntary services.
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