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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

It was a comment about a picture of a prepubescent girl so that does seem fair enough.

What I don't understand is why he is upset with the poster who made the comment but not with the poster who put the picture up. The comment could be ambiguous but is there an innocent explanation for posting the picture?


edit --that was a reply to Bioboy
 
existentialist said:
I think he has form for this, and I think that, IIRC, in the past he has come back and retracted extreme comments he's made.

I hope so - because I would like very much for him to withdraw his allegations against me, just for starters.
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Have I? Don't think so - AFAIC, I've said my thing on this subject and that's it. No regrets or aplogies though. In a similar manner to how Katy Perry kissed a girl and she liked it, I denounced some clown. And I liked it. That's all from me on this one though, it's all been said now.
 
Frances Lengel said:
Have I? Don't think so - AFAIC, I've said my thing on this subject and that's it. No regrets or aplogies though. In a similar manner to how Katy Perry kissed a girl and she liked it, I denounced some clown. And I liked it. That's all from me on this one though, it's all been said now.
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Well, you should be ashamed of yourself, then. You have made some deeply offensive remarks to a number of people, that IRL could well have resulted in a smack in the chops. Perhaps more significantly, you've made a complete idiot out of yourself, and I for one won't be taking seriously anything else you write.

Nice work, chump.
 
Spanky Longhorn said:
Are Asda going to start selling Francis Lengel costumes?
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Paedofinder General...
 
DaveCinzano said:
https://twitter.com/smessham/status/382773314986311680
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Later that day he said he had decided not to wait till next week (now this week), but he hasn't posted since that day and I won't be surprised if he either fails to reappear for a good while, doesn't name names, or doesn't name any that are high-profile enough to gain much interest. And sadly anything he tries to achieve is almost bound to backfire, and I would have very little hope of any strands of inquiry that were relying mostly on him going anywhere.

Meanwhile I'm not much closer to knowing whether any 'high profile, powerful, living' perpetrators from the political sphere will face justice. Not just because of potential coverups, but because the realities of how many offenders of that type there actually are/were is still murky. For example names associated with the guest house did not necessarily abuse underage boys there, and may have only used other services. With that in mind sections of the internet are almost bound to be dissapointed, although its still too early to say for sure or to rule out such prosecutions. It will be at least another 6 months before I vent any frustration, and even then it will be very hard to judge whether anyone has gotten away with shit again.
 
elbows said:
Not high profile or high ranking, but a cop who had previously evaded justice for decades finally got prosecuted and plead guilty to a string of indecent assaults against boys over several decades:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-police-officer-daniel-bryant-2341683
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I note that he pleaded guilty.

I hope that those who were claiming, some while back, that it is a pointless waste of money to continue to pursue such cases are paying attention to this. I imagine he pleaded guilty because he was aware that the allegations were - belatedly - being taken seriously, and that he stood a real chance of conviction. Not taking seriously such allegations, or not pursuing them because it's too expensive, will convey the impression to historic offenders that it's worth denying the charges all the way down the line.

I hope that the survivors of this policeman's abuse gains some comfort from this outcome.
 
This is encouraging stuff from Exaro:-

I could only C&P from Henke's own blog
The Metropolitan Police’s Operation Fernbridge is following new leads in their investigation into sexual abuse allegations involving a former Tory Cabinet minister.
The investigation is now looking at new allegations involving links to gay brothels in Amsterdam and a now closed residential school with some special needs children in the North of England near Bradford. It is also looking at allegations from a boy in care in London who was taken out of town to a house where he was sexually abused by the same minster.
The full story by me and Mark Conrad is now on the free to view Exaro News website .
The disclosure should quell unfounded rumours that Operation Fernbridge is being run down and closed.
The main reason for this fear is that a line of investigation involving the ex Cabinet minister has hit a problem. A complaint dating from the 1960s by a young woman alleging rape by the ex-minister is not being pursued after the Crown Prosecution Service advised that the guidelines and law at the time could not justify the charge.
This just illustrates how difficult it is for the Met Police to pursue and get convictions in historic child abuse cases despite people thinking the police are not doing their job. However the disclosure that more leads are being followed up suggests the inquiry is very much alive.
Operation Fernbridge has already led to two people facing trial on multiple charges involving indecent images and sexual abuse.
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"...six former Conservative MPs...":eek:
 
Good. I've said before that I reckon various elements of the establishment will actually want to secure some high-profile political convictions if possible, because the perception of another cover-up now is more damaging than seeing some formerly powerful individuals face justice.

I've seen some of the false rumours Exaro refer to in regards the investigation being shut down. They are understandable given the damage done to individual victims in the past, damage that was magnified by past cover-ups. but it was pretty clear they were largely fact-free fears that were not terribly rational or reflective of the 'new mood'. Lets hope it stays that way and something comes of these new investigative strands.
 
elbows said:
Historical news/documentary stuff about that Azumith trust yatching charity abuse:
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One of the most disturbing things in this video is how professional bodies and local government kept this in house and seem to have given the "guilty parties" further opportunities to continue to abuse.
 
butchersapron said:
Messham is saying he's naming names later today one he gets a few more followers.
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He's started. Reckons he has 89 names that he has put into a 'lucky dip bag' and will pull one out and post it to twitter approximately every 2 hours.

He has posted one name so far. I'm not really expecting to have heard of any of them, and I somehow doubt he will get through all 89 before something happens.

For obvious reasons I'm not going to repeat any names and I don't expect this to go down well with the justice system.
 
elbows said:
He's started. Reckons he has 89 names that he has put into a 'lucky dip bag' and will pull one out and post it to twitter approximately every 2 hours.

He has posted one name so far. I'm not really expecting to have heard of any of them, and I somehow doubt he will get through all 89 before something happens.

For obvious reasons I'm not going to repeat any names and I don't expect this to go down well with the justice system.
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This really, really troubles me. Just because someone is a victim/survivor of abuse does not mean they should assume they have carte blanche to take all kinds of dangerous/actionable steps. I am somewhat frustrated at the system, the justice process, and so on, in regard to my own experiences, but throwing caution to the wind and just deciding to "name names" makes me little better than the perpetrators, and offers them the opportunity to colour themselves as victims, neatly blurring any moral/ideological boundaries that might have been there.

Bad move.
 
Well there is plenty I would like to say about Messham that I shall resist for a few reasons, including the inability of me to sufficiently check some facts.

He has named a few more today but just to make matters worse the quality of the info is shit, no real context. And at least one of those named was convicted years ago anyway.

The icing on the cake is that he has made no secret of the fact he is doing it for attention, wants more twitter followers, says he won't release any more names unless he sees a lot more interest. I promptly unfollowed him.
 
elbows said:
Well there is plenty I would like to say about Messham that I shall resist for a few reasons, including the inability of me to sufficiently check some facts.

He has named a few more today but just to make matters worse the quality of the info is shit, no real context. And at least one of those named was convicted years ago anyway.

The icing on the cake is that he has made no secret of the fact he is doing it for attention, wants more twitter followers, says he won't release any more names unless he sees a lot more interest. I promptly unfollowed him.
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Thing is, there's almost a pathology here. Person gets abused, feels (rightly or otherwise) that they can't disclose/be heard. Most will give up - the taboo of sexual abuse has tended to be so huge that going public has been a high risk strategy, but some will go for the "go out in a blaze of glory" approach. I have no idea about this one - I haven't read much about him or his stuff, but it does rather sound a bit like that.
 
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