How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

[elbows]

There are many pages. One in particular, that lists many names and with various details matching what was said in the Exaro articles I talked about on the previous page of this thread, has probably received the lions share of attention.

Let us hope that the original source(s) and methodology used to compile the list were sound, and that the police can find something good to build a case with, or the twitter hammer of justice will again be flying off in unwarranted directions.

 

[elbows]

Not sure if this already got mentioned on another thread or ages ago, but the old BBC documentary from 1994 about Peter Righton, 'Inside Story - The Secret Life of a Paedophile' seems to be on youtube since January 5th. I have not watched it yet.

 

[smokedout]

Tweets from Sonia Poulton this morning:

Sonia Poulton @SoniaPoulton

https://twitter.com/SoniaPoulton/status/266090574950572032

and yesterday

https://twitter.com/SoniaPoulton/status/265893374232502272

Obviously no idea if the two are connected but seems likely (or at least possible). Anything about Sunderland come up at all yet? I don't remember anything.

just as a heads up, I had an argument with Sonia Poulton on facebook this afternoon, she's working closely with david icke and appears to quite aggresively support him

 

[BigTom]

just as a heads up, I had an argument with Sonia Poulton on facebook this afternoon, she's working closely with david icke and appears to quite aggresively support him

that's sad, she's been a good and angry voice. thanks for the heads up

 

[Jazzz]

Icke was right. He's been on about a paedophilia network at the highest levels for years particularly involving the entertainment industry. He may be a bit off with the lizard stuff but the rest of it is pretty damn close. And he's right about Operation Yewtree - it's a diversion tactic to divert attention by letting go of some little people. There's massive corruption protecting the people at the top of this.

 

[BigTom]

stopped clock

 

[sihhi]

Icke was right. He's been on about a paedophilia network at the highest levels for years particularly involving the entertainment industry. He may be a bit off with the lizard stuff but the rest of it is pretty damn close. And he's right about Operation Yewtree - it's a diversion tactic to divert attention by letting go of some little people. There's massive corruption protecting the people at the top of this.

As a follower of but not much of a poster on this thread, I hope u75 collectively ensures you don't screw up this thread.

 

[Combustible]

Well if you go round pretty much calling everyone a paedophile, then you will be right eventually.

 

[Louloubelle]

Not sure if this already got mentioned on another thread or ages ago, but the old BBC documentary from 1994 about Peter Righton, 'Inside Story - The Secret Life of a Paedophile' seems to be on youtube since January 5th. I have not watched it yet.

Just watching it now. A shocking and important documentary that I think that, although about a situation in the past, reflects the current situation in a more realistic way than Icke's ramblings. There may well be networks of high level child abusers here but the most likely scenario is of networks of teachers, academics, psychiatrists, social workers, charity workers, priests and other religious people.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Yes, it was good to see the MSM picking up the story broken by Exaro about "Operation Fairbank" and the reporters understood that:-

"Whatever the outcome of their investigations in the past, the police seem convinced that a number of serious wrongs need to be righted."​

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This is, of course, the 'real' story here and it's all too easy to miss the Fairbank for the (Yew)Trees.

ExaroNews ‏@ExaroNews
Operation Fairbank: up to nine police officers raid London flat of witness holding records of Elm Guest House. http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4798/operation-fairbank-carries-out-raid-to-seize-files-naming-mps …

 

[brogdale]

From Henke's own blog:-

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Operation Fairbank, the Met Police investigation, started after allegations from Labour MP Tom Watson of an alleged paedo ring involving Westminster MPs, has taken a significant new turn.​

A report on Exaro News website ( http://www.exaronews.com ) today by ex Guardian journos David Pallister and myself goes into full details.​

Basically documents, including a list of Mps , Conservative, Labour and Liberal - some dead, some alive – and other prominent figures , which we have seen but are not naming, are now in the possession of the police. They also have the 16 names of the boys who could have been sexually abused.​

The raid last week on the flat of Mary Moss, a former head of the now defunct National Association of Young People in Care, allowed police to look at documents relating to the Elm Tree Guest House in Barnes, west London, in the 1980s. Police obtained a search warrant after she declined to co-operate but she is now co-operating fully with the investigation.​

Another 19 box files , hidden in a neighbours shed, were voluntarily handed over to the police by Mary Moss after the raid.​

The police have also asked Richmond Council to hand over a full dossier of young people in their care at the time after being alerted by a source who came to Exaro.​

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http://davidhencke.wordpress.com/​

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[elbows]

Well thats one way to get her to cooperate! Although the usual suspects on twitter are continuing to paint this as a picture of police intimidation, attempting to silence people, etc. As per my previous rants on this subject I will be reserving judgement till we see what actions the law take, and in the meantime have low regard for the paranoid style of some of the bloggers and tweeters who are paying attention in rather hysterical fashion.

Back when I was reading the Exaro stories in December, I cant say I fully appreciated that the police hadnt got their hands on all the documents being mentioned, even though I knew Moss wasnt exactly cooperating normally with the powers that be.

Not sure I was aware of this particular bit of history either until I went looking to see if any other press had mentioned Moss recently:

They complained in 2004 to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) about the Met’s handling of the case. But the IPCC dismissed the complaint after two years.

From the end of http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=30245

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

More on Operation Fairbank

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4804/met-turns-operation-fairbank-into-full-criminal-investigation

 

[elbows]

Ta. Just looking at twitter it sounds like the proper criminal investigation into the guest house (as opposed to the earlier scoping exercise that Tom Watson triggered) is called operation Fernbridge. I've not seen other press stories about it yet but I expect there will be some.

 

[elbows]

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In a short statement tonight, the Metropolitan Police said: “The Metropolitan Police Service have today, Thursday 17 January, launched an investigation, Operation Fernbridge, into historic allegations of child abuse in the early 1980s at the Elm Guest House, Rocks Lane, Barnes, London.

“The investigation will be led by the Child Abuse Investigation Command. Anyone with information is asked to contact officers on 020 7161 0500.”​

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It added: “The allegations under Operation Fernbridge were initially assessed under Operation Fairbank which was information passed to police by MP Tom Watson. Operation Fernbridge reached the threshold for a criminal investigation.​

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“We will not be providing a running commentary on this inquiry.”​

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...oliticians-operated-in-the-1980s-8456434.html​

 

[elbows]

Tom Watson has some brief words about the criminal investigation.

http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2013/01/response-to-the-metropolitan-police-announcement-that-a-criminal-investigation-has-been-launched …

 

[butchersapron]

Surprising lack of coverage for this. Maybe too soon, not high profile enough yet, people being wary after newsnight - they should all know damn well what's out there and appraising it.

 

[elbows]

The Guardian have a story now but mostly go on about the Peter Righton stuff that Tom Watson originally focussed on in parliament, and therefore come across as pretty clueless about what Elm the Guest House story is about.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/17/police-inquiry-child-sex-abuse

And ITV, again not much of a story mostly because they want to stick largely to what the police press release said, and that isnt much.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-01-17/met-probe-alleged-child-abuse-at-london-guest-house/

And Bloomberg.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...se-investigation-over-london-guest-house.html

 

[Dan U]

a useful idiot speaks

Harry Cole ‏@MrHarryCole
“@lucymanning: .@tom_watson welcomes new police child abuse investigation." Brave given what is coming. Should keep his head down.

Harry Cole ‏@MrHarryCole
In the spirit of Watson's enigmatic style, if what I was told last night checks out I think I "just found my next three year project"

i may eat my words obv.

 

[brogdale]

Surprising lack of coverage for this. Maybe too soon, not high profile enough yet, people being wary after newsnight - they should all know damn well what's out there and appraising it.

Looks like Fernbridge will offer the media precious little to report, but at least when the OB have to come clean about who's being arrested it should become quite interesting.
One concern I have is that the Peter Morrison* issue might fall, conveniently for the tories, between two (investigatory) stools.When Watson dropped the parliamentary 'bombshell' there was much speculation that he was referring to Morrison and the Righton case, but now it appears that Elm Guest House abuse only will be the remit of Fernbridge?

*As he is dead, I don't think this breaches the 'nonce thread' guidance?

 

[elbows]

You can mention Peter Morrison all you want, its not a libel problem. I am not happy at how little attention that aspect received in the media at the time.

If Morrison can be linked to one of the welsh childrens home scandals then he will be covered by operation Pallial. Channel 4 news made that connection at the time.

Failing that what is required is victims from somewhere to come forwards, or one of the inquiries to look at what offences he was caught doing and let off from at the time (such as the one that reportedly cost him his seat as an MP).

 

[elbows]

a useful idiot speaks

There are a number of people on the internet who I think are idiots or have dodgy agendas or worldviews, but who have been useful sources of info at times during the child abuse stories, so long as its properly filtered and placed in the context of the rest of their bile. But I'm not quite sure what you are getting at with this chap, I dont understand his potential use?

 

[Dan U]

There are a number of people on the internet who I think are idiots or have dodgy agendas or worldviews, but who have been useful sources of info at times, so long as its properly filtered. But I'm not quite sure what you are getting at with this chap, I dont understand his potential use?

he is implying that Watson will be discredited soon and potentially discrediting the investigation

he is a useful idiot, just not ours.

 

[elbows]

Ah right. His comments are slightly ambiguous to me at this stage.

 

[Dan U]

Ah right. His comments are slightly ambiguous to me at this stage.

he hates Watson.

 

[brogdale]

I am not happy at how little attention that aspect received in the media at the time.

Agreed.
Its all very well the Met asking people to come forward with evidence, but one huge problem is that they, (probably along with the spooks), have destroyed alot of the substantive evidence relating to Morrison, as Nick Davies highlighted in his prescient 1998 piece:-

Fleet Street routinely nurtures a crop of untold stories about powerful abusers who have evaded justice. One such is Peter Morrison, formerly the MP for Chester and the deputy chairman of the Conservative Party. Ten years ago, Chris House, the veteran crime reporter for the Sunday Mirror, twice received tip-offs from police officers who said that Morrison had been caught cottaging in public toilets with underaged boys and had been released with a caution. A less powerful man, the officers complained, would have been charged with gross indecency or an offence against children.
At the time, Chris House confronted Morrison, who used libel laws to block publication of the story. Now, Morrison is dead and cannot sue. Police last week confirmed that he had been picked up twice and never brought to trial. They added that there appeared to be no trace of either incident in any of the official records.

 

[elbows]

The Evening Standard and Daily Mail have run the story and padded it with Tom Watsons original comments about Peter Righton like the Guardian did.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-links-paedophile-ring.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...child-abuse-by-expms-senior-aide-8456520.html

 

[Mrs Magpie]

...and more now on the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21068494

 

[elbows]

BBC gets some points for picking up on the Mary Moss NAYPIC documents aspect. But in that piece they didnt pass on the Scotland Yard request for information and telehphone number.

 

[elbows]

Exaro reports that 'Harry' (Haroon Kasir), the former co-manager of the guesthouse had his house raided, though he wasnt arrested.