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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

Some on twitter are not exactly impressed with attendance in the house.

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Publication next week:

Pollard inquiry has not interviewed Savile abuse investigator

Nick Pollard's inquiry into Newsnight's aborted investigation into child sex abuse by Jimmy Savile has failed to interview the former policeman turned broadcaster who worked on the never-aired film, raising questions about the thoroughness of its work as the resulting report nears publication next week.
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he did work on the bottled newsnight prog - so even under a strict BBC only focus should have been talked to.
 
David Hencke and Exaro have been looking intothis London guest house story. He is saying the police dropped investigations.into it, ex ministers are implicated. Worth checking exaro website. On phone so can't link, sorry.
 
Former pupils call for new investigation into abuse claims at Suffolk school

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A number of former pupils of a school for troubled boys who say they were victims of physical and sexual abuse are calling for a new investigation and a wide inquiry into care institutions.

The ex-pupils of Kesgrave Hall, near Ipswich, Suffolk, have described a culture of violence at the school in the 1980s.

The Guardian has spoken to 10 men who say they were victims of, or witnesses to, abuse while they were pupils, including three who were interviewed at length by Suffolk police during an investigation into the school in 1992, which was later dropped. They have described a spectrum of abuse, predominantly physical, and the use of disciplinary methods outlawed at the time as corporal punishment.
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Yeah I missed it at the time, or saw it and forgot about it. Probably because there was a lot of news and research to get my teeth into a month+ ago, not so much now. At least this thread isnt completely dead, so I can for now resist the temptation to start ranting about fickle news cycles being reflected as much by people on forums as the news organs themselves.
 
elbows said:
Yeah I missed it at the time, or saw it and forgot about it. Probably because there was a lot of news and research to get my teeth into a month+ ago, not so much now. At least this thread isnt completely dead, so I can for now resist the temptation to start ranting about fickle news cycles being reflected as much by people on forums as the news organs themselves.
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Yeah, I think someone on Twitter posted up that picture, along with one on Parliamentary expenses. Needless to say, it was a lot busier for the latter :rolleyes:
 
elbows said:
Yeah I missed it at the time, or saw it and forgot about it. Probably because there was a lot of news and research to get my teeth into a month+ ago, not so much now. At least this thread isnt completely dead, so I can for now resist the temptation to start ranting about fickle news cycles being reflected as much by people on forums as the news organs themselves.
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No new revelations doesn't give much to comment on that hasn't been said before. I'm hoping that Jillings is published by someone - whether officially or via a leak. That should at least start increasing the pressure for justice again. We've heard several times that x, y and z are seeking legal advice about it, but just how long does it take for the lawyers to thrash it out?

What does surprise me (or does it...) is how the Cyril Smith stuff seems to have blown over so quickly. He was hardly a minor figure in public life.
 
I saw that as her volunteering to speak out because she didn't want her revelations about John Peel to destroy his reputation / get him tarred with the same brush as Savile. It did sound like she was saying that she never let on her age, and did the chasing, and was happy enough with the outcome and relationship she had with Peel to me, which would seem to be in a whole different ballpark to some of the accusations against other people.

I was only half watching though.
 
free spirit said:
I saw that as her volunteering to speak out because she didn't want her revelations about John Peel to destroy his reputation / get him tarred with the same brush as Savile. It did sound like she was saying that she never let on her age, and did the chasing, and was happy enough with the outcome and relationship she had with Peel to me, which would seem to be in a whole different ballpark to some of the accusations against other people.

I was only half watching though.
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Well there is no point in pretending that those with an interest in the pre-pubescent, consensual relationships that have an age of consent problem, groupies, gropers, etc, are all completely identical in every way. And I dont think there is anything wrong with people expressing their honest feelings about situations they found themselves in when they were young.

However having seen the piece about this on the BBC news, I cannot help but be rather cynical about the BBCs timing in picking up on this story. Especially as they merged it into some waffle about what a different time it was back then in the 1960's and 1970's. That too has some truth to it but they only touched on a couple of aspects of this and given that the first of their reports into their own conduct is out next week, I was not amused. I saw it as one small piece of 'drawing a line under events' and stopping the stench from spreading or sticking too much, and although it wasnt 100% blatant I dont think it was terribly subtle either.
 
butchersapron said:
Doing the rounds:
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I hope its better than the headline that has appeared there today suggests. I havent bothered to sign up yet to find out for myself, but a lot of the stuff in these articles has already been talked about on other internet forums, eg that the guesthouse scandal was mentioned in a Jilly Cooper novel.
 
OK I signed up for 7 days free Exaro so I could read the stories. A lot of it is going on about the present police operation in a not very interesting way. But there is stuff about previous tip-offs and police operations involving the guest-house, including the suggestion that strands of the old investigations were closed down for improper reasons.

The juicy bit is of course who may have been involved. In one article it mentions several former senior conservative figures, a Labour MP who is now dead, a liberal MP who is now dead, and another Labour MP who is not dead. In another article the Monday Club is mentioned. Unsurprisingly none of them are named, the only name I saw in one of the articles was Anthony Blunt.
 
I was tempted to do that myself but they didn't really sell themselves to me. The stuff you mention about past activity may well be the best we can hope for from this direction. At least we know what there is there now.
 
Regarding the London guest house thing, Exaro have another story up. Deals with documents from the guesthouse which Exaro have seen. In addition to the political affiliations I mentioned earlier, there is:

Two former tory cabinet ministers, four other tory MPs, a now deceased leading NF figure, a Sinn Fein member, two Buckingham palace officials and two pop-stars. These are quite probably named in the documents but (obviously) not in the Exaro stories about the docs.

There is also some detail about a 'kings and queens' party to celebrate the Charles & Diana wedding with guests including a judge, senior civil servants, a bishop, and a leading banker, none identified by name in the docs.

From what I can tell potential complications with the story are the blurring of gay activity with underage activity, since the location was a well-known venue for gay men. And the source of the documents is NAYPIC, a defunct organisation whose old internet footprint is in my opinion slightly shambolic in nature. And its former London development officer Mary Moss wants to meet a cabinet minister rather than the police (as some police were said to be involved at the guesthouse at the time) and is seeking funding to revive the organisation. None of this means I am ultra-cynical about it all, just somewhat cautious.

I should point out for anyone who hasnt been following this particular story too closely in the past, that the sinister allegations about the guest-house revolve around the possibility that rather a lot of boys from council-run childrens homes were brought there.
 
butchersapron said:
Former pupils call for new investigation into abuse claims at Suffolk school

Again,in passing:

A number of former pupils of a school for troubled boys who say they were victims of physical and sexual abuse are calling for a new investigation and a wide inquiry into care institutions.

The ex-pupils of Kesgrave Hall, near Ipswich, Suffolk, have described a culture of violence at the school in the 1980s.

The Guardian has spoken to 10 men who say they were victims of, or witnesses to, abuse while they were pupils, including three who were interviewed at length by Suffolk police during an investigation into the school in 1992, which was later dropped. They have described a spectrum of abuse, predominantly physical, and the use of disciplinary methods outlawed at the time as corporal punishment.
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Kesgrave Hall school: police files on alleged sexual abuse were 'destroyed'

A spokesman for Suffolk police said on Thursday he could not say whether the investigation would be reopened. The force said in a statement: "Suffolk Constabulary no longer holds the files in relation to crimes occurring of this nature at Kesgrave Hall School due to the age of the offence and that review, retention and disposal guidelines at the time scheduled for its disposal."

The Guardian has been told that Vivian Davies, a former director of the private company that ran the school, destroyed the vast majority of records relating to Kesgrave Hall when he moved house before his death.
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elbows said:
From what I can tell potential complications with the story are the blurring of gay activity with underage activity, since the location was a well-known venue for gay men.
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It's also worth bearing in mind that, at that time, a 20 year old was "under age" as far as gay male sexual activity was concerned.
 
Puddy_Tat said:
It's also worth bearing in mind that, at that time, a 20 year old was "under age" as far as gay male sexual activity was concerned.
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I believe one of the Exaro articles mentioned that the police are taking this into account when looking at the guesthouse stuff and are only going for cases where someone aged <16 was involved.
 
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