How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?
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Barking_Mad
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Although if you like a game of join the dots....
You might remember that Colin Peters (Former Foreign Officer Barrister) was a name on the Elm Tree guesthouse list. He was convicted of sex offences and running a paedophile ring back in 1989 along with other men.
Curiously there is this FOI attempt to release information about his arrest along with another man, Alistair Laing, back in 1967/68 in Naples, when they both worked for HM Diplomatic Service. The record for this piece of information is not due to be opened until January, 2056.
Alistair Laing after leaving the civil service then worked on an art history book with ex-Spy, academic, traitor and art historian, Anthony Blunt. Who co-incidentally is also on the Elm Tree Guesthouse list.
None of them know Jimmy Savile afaik
You might remember that Colin Peters (Former Foreign Officer Barrister) was a name on the Elm Tree guesthouse list. He was convicted of sex offences and running a paedophile ring back in 1989 along with other men.
Curiously there is this FOI attempt to release information about his arrest along with another man, Alistair Laing, back in 1967/68 in Naples, when they both worked for HM Diplomatic Service. The record for this piece of information is not due to be opened until January, 2056.
Alistair Laing after leaving the civil service then worked on an art history book with ex-Spy, academic, traitor and art historian, Anthony Blunt. Who co-incidentally is also on the Elm Tree Guesthouse list.
None of them know Jimmy Savile afaik
It's not. It's signed by the Secretary of the Committee.
It is. Very British informal pressure. Like "signing the Official Secrets Act" - you're bound by it whether you've signed it or not and even if you have failed to discover that it exists.
Barking_Mad
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So what is used when then actually lawfully forbid a paper to print something?
Barking_Mad
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Blimey.
Barking_Mad
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Jimmy Savile linked to Elm Tree guesthouse
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4855/met-detectives-told-of-jimmy-savile-s-link-to-elm-guest-house
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4855/met-detectives-told-of-jimmy-savile-s-link-to-elm-guest-house
An injunction. From a court.
(It's a "superinjunction" if it forbids mention of itself.)
Good old spanking Harvey Proctor days turned over by News of the Screws - ended up with a shirt shop in Ricchmond.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-consultant-House-Commons-lunch-meetings.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-consultant-House-Commons-lunch-meetings.html
Barking_Mad
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I suspect we've not heard the last of Mr Proctor.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Unbelievable isn't it??
A shirt shop a lot of his MP friends put up the money for http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...se-on-proctors-shop-the-retailer-1445666.html
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Not a direct connection, but nauseating enough. I wonder if it will generate as much complaint as a picture of a house with some flags on it.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-tory-mp-wines-dines-4677844?ICID=FB_mirror_main
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-tory-mp-wines-dines-4677844?ICID=FB_mirror_main
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
More arrests imminent as more abuse survivors come forward:
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
May's rhetoric is interesting. It continually places abuse as a past problem, even while acknowledging that it still happens. I can't help but think she's constructing a historical and political discourse that lays off blame as heavily as possible on other causes than central government policy and (consistent lack of) funding.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
The cops are up to their necks in this shit.
Maybe. But the quotes as presented don't give me confidence that Kevin is someone with a deep appreciation of just how nearly impossible a missing person inquiry is.
HOW has his brother's disappearance "been linked to notorious Elm Guest House in Barnes"?
Maybe they cops are covering up. And maybe Kevin is angry that they don't have magic powers.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
If Kevin is telling the truth about what he was told it says nothing good about the police; at best it shows them using intimidation to shut up someone making a fuss at worst it points to a really appalling conspiracy. All of this is true whether or not he knows how difficult a missing persons enquiry is.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
From May this year.
It's pretty obvious we're looking at a large ring of paedophiles across the UK that were supplying boys not only to other paedophiles working in places of abuse, but also to VIP's, celebrities and politicians. Note that at the time it was (and i paraphrse an article i read but dont have to hand) 'quite common for boys to be moved around the system, from home to home'. Five boys for instance from Birmingham care homes found their way to Haut de le Garenne in Jersey where they were abused. Four of them have been contacted and still live on the island. One has not been found.
Note later in the article mentions of Islington Council which was Margaret Hodge, Stephen Twigg etc., and the massive cover up of abuse that led to the shredding and hiding of documents by the Director of Social Services, Lyn Cusack. We're possibly looking at the likes of Nick Rabet and Bernie Bain, both of whom died before being prosecuted (Both in Thailand where Rabet was arrested for dealing with a suspected 300 children, before he then overdosed). Despite knowing of this the police chose not to request access to Rabet's computer in Thailand which they knew he had used to send e-mails. Abraham Jacob who was Islington's Social Services Senior Care Worker was jailed in 1986 for running a child prostitution racket. He had a previous conviction for indecency, which he didn't disclose at interview. He'd previously worked for Lambeth Social Services.
One of Islington's victims, Demitrious Panton was labelled "a liar and a fanatcist" by Bain, a quote that was then repeated by Margaret Hodge and one which she was later forced to apologise for. Hodge went on to become Labour's 'Children's Minister', with Twigg working under her.Nobody was ever prosecuted, with people moving on into other jobs.
Many people were arrested at the time and dots were joined but where they led meant police either failed to investigated through choice, or were put under severe pressure from those above them not to do so. I suspect that the scale of this will be massive, taking in care homes all over the country and links to paedophile rings in Europe, perhaps especially Amsterdam where paeophiles in the 70's and 80's had a pretty easy life compared to now.
It's pretty obvious we're looking at a large ring of paedophiles across the UK that were supplying boys not only to other paedophiles working in places of abuse, but also to VIP's, celebrities and politicians. Note that at the time it was (and i paraphrse an article i read but dont have to hand) 'quite common for boys to be moved around the system, from home to home'. Five boys for instance from Birmingham care homes found their way to Haut de le Garenne in Jersey where they were abused. Four of them have been contacted and still live on the island. One has not been found.
Note later in the article mentions of Islington Council which was Margaret Hodge, Stephen Twigg etc., and the massive cover up of abuse that led to the shredding and hiding of documents by the Director of Social Services, Lyn Cusack. We're possibly looking at the likes of Nick Rabet and Bernie Bain, both of whom died before being prosecuted (Both in Thailand where Rabet was arrested for dealing with a suspected 300 children, before he then overdosed). Despite knowing of this the police chose not to request access to Rabet's computer in Thailand which they knew he had used to send e-mails. Abraham Jacob who was Islington's Social Services Senior Care Worker was jailed in 1986 for running a child prostitution racket. He had a previous conviction for indecency, which he didn't disclose at interview. He'd previously worked for Lambeth Social Services.
One of Islington's victims, Demitrious Panton was labelled "a liar and a fanatcist" by Bain, a quote that was then repeated by Margaret Hodge and one which she was later forced to apologise for. Hodge went on to become Labour's 'Children's Minister', with Twigg working under her.Nobody was ever prosecuted, with people moving on into other jobs.
Many people were arrested at the time and dots were joined but where they led meant police either failed to investigated through choice, or were put under severe pressure from those above them not to do so. I suspect that the scale of this will be massive, taking in care homes all over the country and links to paedophile rings in Europe, perhaps especially Amsterdam where paeophiles in the 70's and 80's had a pretty easy life compared to now.
Barking_Mad
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
hot air baboon
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...…this 2 year old Daily Star story was one of the first post-Savile Westminster stories iirc…and ahead of the curve…..was broaching the International angle…
”….wealthy men from Belgium….” flying into RAF Northolt to attend orgies..etc
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/279380/TORY-PAEDO-COVER-UP
...covered all the way back on Page 7 of the thread….
…some off the quotes are pretty germane, not to say chilling….
“….The vulnerable teen who spoke to detectives vanished just weeks after blowing the whistle….”
“The married Cabinet minister the boy named held a series of high-level posts in government.
A Whitehall security source said he received extra vetting from MI5 prior to taking up high office after rumours about his private life.”
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Excellent interview with a survivor, pretty skeptical about how things are going. Don't be put off that it's Artist Taxi Driver interviewing, he's not shouty in this. Part 2 should be easy to find.
hot air baboon
Well-Known Member
...talking of the Daily Star....they ( Don Hale et al ) seem to be putting out some original stuff not just parroting the latest Mail / Mirror articles
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...ed-to-Westminster-politicians-paedophile-ring
By Don Hale / Published 23rd November 2014
Babes In The Wood killer Ronald Jebson worked as a chauffeur ferrying innocent youngsters to be abused at sick orgies, it was claimed.
A former cellmate of Jebson's said the pervert boasted of his role in delivering children to be "auctioned" for abuse by high-ranking officials.
Jebson, now 75, has spent the last 40 years in jail. He was convicted in 1974 of killing a friend's eight-year-old daughter and in 2000 confessed to strangling Susan Blatchford, 11, and her pal Gary Hanlon, 12, in 1970. Their deaths - for years one of Britain's most notorious unsolved cases - became known as the Babes In The Wood case after he left their bodies huddled together in woodland.
The cellmate - known as "Billy" to protect his anonymity - said he is speaking out now due to constant denials of a cover up over a Westminster paedophile ring.
He said he was deliberately placed in the next cell to Jebson on C-Wing in HMP Frankland, near Durham, about 15 years ago, to extract further information about his past.
Billy explained: "I was encouraged to get Jebson to talk about his past in return for favours and protection.
"We got to know each other quite well, and chatted when our cell doors were open. One day, I was being pressed by a screw to get him to talk. He hid around the corner to listen whilst I leant on the doorframe.
"I couldn't believe it when Ronnie started blabbing. He said he worked for a luxury limousine company on the south side of London. He said it was linked to the Westminster set, and claimed they had all sorts of posh cars, including Rolls Royces.
"He said the clients were all well-to-do, prominent people, including politicians, but said they were also paedophiles. Ronnie said many of the victims came from poor backgrounds.
"He said he often collected the children on a Friday and would take them to a large property in Surrey, to London addresses, or to a large house in the country owned by a Lord.
"He would have to collect the kids again and take them back for Monday. He said the parents knew what was happening and were paid huge sums of money.
"One time he said he went to a 'big do' where there were many other chauffeurs downstairs in the kitchen. They were getting something to eat and drink and were told to enjoy themselves.
"He said there were some very influential people there, and although they were told to stay downstairs, he says he was curious and went to have a look. He said it was incredible. All the children were stark naked and only partially covered by small bibs or aprons, and were being auctioned off."
Billy, who said Jebson's driving career was in 1973/74, has been out of jail for more than 10 years, but remains worried about possible reprisals for speaking out.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...ed-to-Westminster-politicians-paedophile-ring
By Jerry Lawton / Published 22nd July 2014
Michael McAuliffe, 50, was about to be sentenced over images of child abuse when he offered to co-operate with detectives in return for a lenient jail term.
In a letter to the judge via his lawyers he agreed to blow the whistle on a 1970s VIP paedophile ring.
Judge Peter Benson adjourned sentencing to give detectives a chance to question McAuliffe.
The judge told Bradford Crown Court: “If some good can come out of this we should offer them an opportunity to hear what he might be able to say.”
McAuliffe then shouted from the dock: “The names I have got are...’’
But the judge stopped him and ordered him to be taken to the cells.
...the mention of apron-wearing at upper class orgies sent me rifling through Anthony Summer's Honeytrap fwiw...where he refers to parties organised by a group calling themselves the Steering Wheel Club featuring similalry attired ladies...unlikely to be of any significance but I like filling in background detail...
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...ed-to-Westminster-politicians-paedophile-ring
By Don Hale / Published 23rd November 2014
Babes In The Wood killer Ronald Jebson worked as a chauffeur ferrying innocent youngsters to be abused at sick orgies, it was claimed.
A former cellmate of Jebson's said the pervert boasted of his role in delivering children to be "auctioned" for abuse by high-ranking officials.
Jebson, now 75, has spent the last 40 years in jail. He was convicted in 1974 of killing a friend's eight-year-old daughter and in 2000 confessed to strangling Susan Blatchford, 11, and her pal Gary Hanlon, 12, in 1970. Their deaths - for years one of Britain's most notorious unsolved cases - became known as the Babes In The Wood case after he left their bodies huddled together in woodland.
The cellmate - known as "Billy" to protect his anonymity - said he is speaking out now due to constant denials of a cover up over a Westminster paedophile ring.
He said he was deliberately placed in the next cell to Jebson on C-Wing in HMP Frankland, near Durham, about 15 years ago, to extract further information about his past.
Billy explained: "I was encouraged to get Jebson to talk about his past in return for favours and protection.
"We got to know each other quite well, and chatted when our cell doors were open. One day, I was being pressed by a screw to get him to talk. He hid around the corner to listen whilst I leant on the doorframe.
"I couldn't believe it when Ronnie started blabbing. He said he worked for a luxury limousine company on the south side of London. He said it was linked to the Westminster set, and claimed they had all sorts of posh cars, including Rolls Royces.
"He said the clients were all well-to-do, prominent people, including politicians, but said they were also paedophiles. Ronnie said many of the victims came from poor backgrounds.
"He said he often collected the children on a Friday and would take them to a large property in Surrey, to London addresses, or to a large house in the country owned by a Lord.
"He would have to collect the kids again and take them back for Monday. He said the parents knew what was happening and were paid huge sums of money.
"One time he said he went to a 'big do' where there were many other chauffeurs downstairs in the kitchen. They were getting something to eat and drink and were told to enjoy themselves.
"He said there were some very influential people there, and although they were told to stay downstairs, he says he was curious and went to have a look. He said it was incredible. All the children were stark naked and only partially covered by small bibs or aprons, and were being auctioned off."
Billy, who said Jebson's driving career was in 1973/74, has been out of jail for more than 10 years, but remains worried about possible reprisals for speaking out.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...ed-to-Westminster-politicians-paedophile-ring
By Jerry Lawton / Published 22nd July 2014
Michael McAuliffe, 50, was about to be sentenced over images of child abuse when he offered to co-operate with detectives in return for a lenient jail term.
In a letter to the judge via his lawyers he agreed to blow the whistle on a 1970s VIP paedophile ring.
Judge Peter Benson adjourned sentencing to give detectives a chance to question McAuliffe.
The judge told Bradford Crown Court: “If some good can come out of this we should offer them an opportunity to hear what he might be able to say.”
McAuliffe then shouted from the dock: “The names I have got are...’’
But the judge stopped him and ordered him to be taken to the cells.
...the mention of apron-wearing at upper class orgies sent me rifling through Anthony Summer's Honeytrap fwiw...where he refers to parties organised by a group calling themselves the Steering Wheel Club featuring similalry attired ladies...unlikely to be of any significance but I like filling in background detail...
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Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
As much as I would like to see everybody who has ever been in a Tory cabinet spending the remainder of their vile lives picking bits of broken glass out of their food in the "Beast Wing" at Belmarsh ...
Are we going to automatically believe every single thing that every one of the people coming forward now as witnesses and survivors says?
I'd think human nature and past experience says some of them will be bullshitters.
Also, just for the sake of argument, assuming for a moment that we're not going to believe everything anyone says to confirm the picture of high-level child-rape conspiracy uncritically (and then play "join the dots" with it) then what critical standards should we apply?
Are we going to automatically believe every single thing that every one of the people coming forward now as witnesses and survivors says?
I'd think human nature and past experience says some of them will be bullshitters.
Also, just for the sake of argument, assuming for a moment that we're not going to believe everything anyone says to confirm the picture of high-level child-rape conspiracy uncritically (and then play "join the dots" with it) then what critical standards should we apply?
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elbows
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The standard I'm aiming for is not dissimilar to the standards of the CPS and police investigations, which in practice means waiting some years to see if enough witnesses and victims come forwards with enough collaborative detail about the modus operandi of the offenders.
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