How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

[quiquaquo]

http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/home-affairs/141029 Fiona Woolf to KV re ev follow-up.pdf

 

[William of Walworth]

Leon Brittan named as a possible abuser in parliament by Labour MP Jimmy Hood:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uiry-former-Home-Secretary-named-Commons.html

The remarks from Jim Hood, who said there were ‘reports about child abuse being linked with’ the Conservative politician, were criticised as ‘disgusting’ by business minister Matthew Hancock.

Yes, the remarks are indeed disgusting, and that's why they should be investigated.

Have a think about why the use, or even misuse, of Parliamentary privilege might be the ONLY way, sometimes, to bring widely-rumoured stuff to peoples' attention.

Then people start to have the opportunity to assess the credibility, or not, for themselves.

think you've misread that post William.

Probably yes, on reflection, at least the latter part of Quartz's post. But let's find out ...

I'm sorry but you'll have to indulge me and explain

OK. I was thinking that you were agreeing with Michael Hancock who was quoted (approvingly?) by the Daily Mail in finding Jim Hood's remarks 'disgusting' -- was I wrong?

So I decided to go out on a limb and defend Jim Hood's use of parliamentary privilege there. That was all I was doing really, for the reason I gave -- sometimes it can be the only way to get widely known rumours out.

In doing that though, I didn't properly take in that you thought that the allegations should nevertheless be investigated anyway -- I now take it that that's what you meant.

Hope I've clarified things a bit more now. Apols for misunderstandings.

 

[laptop]

Woolf steps down: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29855265

 

[marty21]

Woolf steps down: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29855265

They will need to get a foreigner in, anyone else will stink of the establishment that covered up the abuse

 

[brogdale]

Woolf steps down: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29855265

She 'jokes' just now, on R4, that only a "hermit" could fulfil her former role. FFS

 

[danny la rouge]

She 'jokes' just now, on R4, that only a "hermit" could fulfil her former role. FFS

What is she saying? That by being a part of the establishment you're bound to be friends with many paedophiles?

 

[butchersapron]

Sort of prejuding the judging clearing/mistakes were made thing.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

She 'jokes' just now, on R4, that only a "hermit" could fulfil her former role. FFS

The glib self assurance had me swearing at the radio; she showed herself resolutely incapable of understanding what the problems with her appointment were.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[marty21]

To lose one chair is a misfortune, two is carelessness ....Oscar Wilde still relevant

 

[Louis MacNeice]

To lose one chair is a misfortune, two is carelessness ....Oscar Wilde still relevant

It will happen if you appoint enquiry chairs to solve your problems (those of increasing mistrust and political illegitimacy), rather than address the actual problems of abuse; like Woolf and Butler-Sloss, the government just don't get it.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[brogdale]

Just heard...

 

[brogdale]

It will happen if you appoint enquiry chairs to solve your problems (those of increasing mistrust and political illegitimacy), rather than address the actual problems of abuse; like Woolf and Butler-Sloss, the government just don't get it.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Honestly, I think they do get it...all too well. They know what the stakes are here.

 

[butchersapron]

Maybe it's time to let an external body in? Irish state? Or Belgium?

 

[quiquaquo]

Maybe it's time to let an external body in? Irish state? Or Belgium?

With their history in these matters?

You’d be better off with Iranians at this point although a few politicians would end up swinging from cranes. Make TB one of them and you can count me in.

 

[quiquaquo]

Just heard...

Is that the fires of Hell in the background? If that isn't the face of evil what the fuck is.

 

[The Pale King]

Let's have a commonwealth jurist in who won't rest until we touch the bottom of this swamp.

 

[Quartz]

OK. I was thinking that you were agreeing with Michael Hancock who was quoted (approvingly?) by the Daily Mail in finding Jim Hood's remarks 'disgusting' -- was I wrong?

I was most definitely not agreeing with Hancock; I was using Hancock's own words against him.

So I decided to go out on a limb and defend Jim Hood's use of parliamentary privilege there. That was all I was doing really, for the reason I gave -- sometimes it can be the only way to get widely known rumours out.

I too was defending Hood.

 

[marty21]

So, the Tories pick 2 chairs from the establishment to chair an enquiry into claims of an establishment cover up of child abuse

#seemslegit

 

[quiquaquo]

The perfect candidate: "The Police, Heaven forbid"

 

[brogdale]

So, the Tories pick 2 chairs from the establishment to chair an enquiry into claims of an establishment cover up of child abuse

#seemslegit

Good piece from Crick on C4News tonight examining the extent of the damage to May...revealed that Vaz is going to question her next week, and specifically about the degree to which she was personally involved in Woolf's letter re-drafting. Hmmm who could possibly gain from any of this?

 

[Buckaroo]

Maybe it's time to let an external body in? Irish state? Or Belgium?

Vatican city, those guys know how to investigate child abuse. This needs people with experience.

 

[little_legs]

R4 reported today that the victims were only advised 4 days in advance that they were due to meet Woolf. One of the victims complained that he was unable to get assurances from the Home Office that his travel expenses would be reimbursed.

Did anyone listen to R4's PM interview with a Lib Dem MP Tessa Munt? She apparently suffered abuse herself. Like Woolf, she complained about the problem of social media. She also said that she advised T. May back in July that in order to prevent the nominees being hounded by the social media, May should ask the public to direct their complaints/objections to the Chief Constable of Norfolk.

 

[brogdale]

Listening to "Any questions/answers" on R4 it's really evident that the political elite are using the Butler-Sloss/Woolf debacle/delay to introduce the idea that the notion of the enquiry, as presently established, is somehow unworkable. Anxious to shift focus away from the palace of westminster, they seem to be using their chair fuck-up as a pretext for sowing the seeds for breaking up the enquiry into an number of lesser parts.

Interestingly the original letter from the 120 MPs to Theresa May, was actually quite specific about the task of their proposed enquiry in the first paragraph...

Dear Home Secretary,

We are writing to ask you to set up a full, properly resourced investigation into the failure of the Police to follow the evidence in a number of historical cases of child sexual abuse."

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Everytime (not often enough) the role of police is highlighted or questioned, we need to keep mentioning MI5. They are escaping attention even more. What are the national security considerations for intervening to protect child-rapists?

 

[Idris2002]

Is that the fires of Hell in the background? If that isn't the face of evil what the fuck is.

He's going to be found dead soon, isn't he?

 

[Wilf]

He's going to be found dead soon, isn't he?

At the very least, he'll have a stage army of Harley St docs ready to testify his heart/dementia/A N Other Condition make it impossible for the police to interview him. Maybe he'll be able to sign up Janner's team for half price now their work is done.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Is Lord Hutton doing anything right now?

 

[ibilly99]

He's going to be found dead soon, isn't he?

or be found to be suffering from dementia.

 

[brogdale]

Let's have a commonwealth jurist in who won't rest until we touch the bottom of this swamp.

Yeah, sure they'd be able to find someone far flung who will never have broken bread with the nonce ministers...but we shouldn't expect an imported elite, establishment figure to be any less likely to steer the enquiry away from elite crimes than their sister/friend attempts so far. It's only since the victim's groups have started mentioning folk like Mansfield etc. that the rattled elite have come up with the wheeze of a elite from somewhere else.

Incidentally, on last night's Newsnight Mansfield pretty much agreed that he would do it.

 

[ibilly99]

The Mail comes out with a stout defence of Brittan qouting from a contemporary Private Eye investigation of the claims against him by none other than Paul Foot.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...P-uses-Commons-privilege-link-Tory-abuse.html