Betsy
Well-Known Member
True - Jacob Rees Mogg took his nanny canvassing in a working class area of Scotland,I believe.
How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?
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free spirit
more tea vicar?
That's the traceRoute details for exaronews.com
I've done it several times and got the same results.
The last IP addresses on the list resolve to Amazon Ireland.
The site is hosted by Amazon in the USA.
To me it looks as if the URL redirect is being blocked from crossing the atlantic, not matter which route it takes it can't get to the amazon USA servers, which to me can only mean that either all owners of the undersea cables are conspiring to block it, or that the gatekeepers at GCHQ have blocked the URL from exiting the UK via the sub sea cables, or that Amazon themselves are blocking it via their Irish servers.
But someone more expert than me could do with having a look at this.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
I've been trying a few alternative DNS servers, still blocked. Anyone found a DNS that resolves exaro.com correctly?
If all of them fail to resolve, that tells us something about the attack if you get me?
free spirit
more tea vicar?
I think they all fail, the traceroute shows it trying multiple ways of getting to the US servers, but none of them are outside UK and Ireland that I've tried, it can't get into the USA.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Yep, me too. But some of their other servers still giving 503 errors as of 5 mins ago.
edited to add: just retried and it looks like they're all back up now.
I'm getting "Bad hostname" for exaro.com - but it's been giving that to archive.org since 2007.
From a random earlier crawl:
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Yeah, exaro.com was a typo, it was exaronews.com I was checking e.g. in that whois earlier.
Some of the individual addresses within the page on the ip that FreeSpirt quoted were also giving 503's
Some of the individual addresses within the page on the ip that FreeSpirt quoted were also giving 503's
Lurdan
old wave
Apologies if I'm wrong but I haven't seen this linked to :
Questions over Labour peer's letters to care home boy
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/13/labour-peer-letters-boy-questions
One of the co-authors of that also wrote a piece yesterday casting doubt on the idea that whips would supply any useful information
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ck-books-threats-child-abuse-inquiry-politics
Questions over Labour peer's letters to care home boy
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/13/labour-peer-letters-boy-questions
One of the co-authors of that also wrote a piece yesterday casting doubt on the idea that whips would supply any useful information
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ck-books-threats-child-abuse-inquiry-politics
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Wikispooks is still there and so is the archive page, but the sub-site the index page presumably pointed to and the downloadable archive are gone.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Whole thing seems weirdly poised at the moment. Pretty much open season on dead MPs, but no signs of an imminent outing of those still alive. Presume Danczuk/Watson are in contact with a few journos and the stories are all ready to go. Think it was Kenny mentioned timelines a few pages back. These will all be in place, with new bits added each day. Same time, I'm still holding with the prediction of zero prison sentences. If anyone does, it will be ex-mps, no longer in the party who have already had the odd scandal (couple of names come to mind).
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There appears to be an implication in that first piece that Watson has defended Janner on a political loyalty basis:
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
It's a tenuous link, but they are/were also both midlands MPs.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Has there been any of them publicly taking that latter line though? Surely anyone with those views would be keeping them very quiet right now.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
In case no-one has answered this, an investigative timeline is the plotting of who is accused of what, and when and where the offence is alleged to have taken place. You can then use this timeline to map where the alleged offender was when the alleged offence took place, as well as using it to establish if the alleged offender was in contact with other alleged offenders, etc. This is why evidence such as that amassed with regard to Elm House(?) is so important: It ties alleged individual offenders to a certain place at a certain time, where that certain place functioned as a nexus for other offenders.
Lurdan
old wave
Not much publically I admit although I'd be astonished if there weren't a lot who held that view. I seem to recall Tim Yeo being a bit disparaging over the last week but obviously having been de-selected he has less need to be careful what he says. Mellor is undoubtedly saying the kind of thing a lot of M.P.'s think - probably why he is saying it.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I strongly suspect they aren't talking about Watson. Vaz.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Good call.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Ah yes, that would make more sense on a number of levels - both Leicester Mps, crossover in parliamentary careers, and actual past interventions on Janner's behalf by Vaz being on record.
Working fine here in South Korea, have you tried using TOR?
https://www.torproject.org/download/download
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
When Vaz does his angry chairman thing, about civil servants and others not having all the details, I've always suspected it was purely about defying his authority - not a desire to get at the abusers. Ditto on the News International stuff. There's so many ways in which he is a cunt.
elbows
Well-Known Member
If I wanted to be extremely charitable towards him I'd say historically he was displaying the rather common phenomenon of defending your friends and assuming they are innocent. I'm not sure that option will be wide open to MPs this time, and they will think a bit more carefully before presuming innocence. We shall see.
elbows
Well-Known Member
It's good to see the Dolphin Square stuff getting attention this time around. Entirely missing, as best I can tell, from the stories this time is any detail of how the victims who spoke to Exaro were introduced to the parties and that circle of people. Much older versions of Dolphin Square stories tended to involve the kids being brought to the parties from children homes far outside London, but I cannot say whether thats the case with the victims that have come forwards and given their stories to Exaro this time, simply not enough detail in the present stories for that.
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snadge
metal alchemist
Seems quite conspiraloon that site, saying that, there is a lot of good research on the thread you have linked.
This subject is quite close to me, I know people that were abused in care and have some horror stories about it, trouble is, they are defamatory also.
Or should I say libellous, this rabbit hole is never ending, there are loads more establishment names that should be exposed but I fear they won't.
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elbows
Well-Known Member
Since the Dolphin Square stuff came up, I'll post to this video interview Sky did ages ago, that was originally linked to way back in this thread.
It's far from clear that he was talking about a flat in Dolphin Square, but in other ways it seems relevant.
Care Home Abuse Victim Tells Of Sex Parties
It's far from clear that he was talking about a flat in Dolphin Square, but in other ways it seems relevant.
Care Home Abuse Victim Tells Of Sex Parties
elbows
Well-Known Member
Such angles should not be dismissed so lightly, especially when the motives for media revisiting this history can vary quite widely right now and may be more to do with the silly games they play while feeling unable to tell the whole story at the moment.
Anyway as I've said before, there are also lots of possibilities regarding the rumours at the time, and the likes of the Private Eye response to them.
For example as far as I'm aware, we don't know for sure which rumours were being rebuffed at the time, only the theme of them. One possibility is that the rumours were actually not exactly the same ones as we know about, and might have been untrue even if other ones are true. Following on from that, I don't know if spooks etc would ever put out a rumour that was deliberately untrue, but was strongly related to something else they weren't putting about that was true. If they did, it would be rather an effective threat of what may come if they didn't get their way, and easier to kill off when its work is done, ie people can deny it without lying.
Of course this is only one possibility.
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