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How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

The arrogant cheek of these fuckers to lecture anybody on anything whilst buggering and raping their way around the children's homes of the UK.

 
ibilly99 said:
The arrogant cheek of these fuckers to lecture anybody on anything whilst buggering and raping their way around the children's homes of the UK. ( Legal note - am not referring to Cecil here who just got Sarah Keays pregnant).

Dead List of MP Child Abusers

Sir Peter Morrison
Sir Nicholas Fairbairn
Sir Cyril Smith
Viscount Tonypandy
Alan Clarke

are there any more to add to the list ?

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ibilly99 said:
Cripes the Pope chips in that 2% of priests could be paedophiles - speculating wildly if applied to the HOC that would make 10 -15 paedophile MPs - with probably a higher proportion if gone to single sex public schools.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-paedophiles-interview-Italian-newspaper.html
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That stat is higher in the general public, its a damage limitation exercise. I think much more then 2% of Catholic clergy are paedophiles.

Short, left handed more likely to be nonces study finds.


http://www.thestar.com/life/health_...ophiles_tend_to_be_short_men_study_finds.html



Heres another mentalist find.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ellen-ladowsky/pedophilia-and-star-trek_b_5857.html

The LA Times recently ran a story about the Child Exploitation Section of the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit, which contained a mind-boggling statistic: of the more than 100 offenders the unit has arrested over the last four years, "all but one" has been "a hard-core Trekkie.

My webdesign guy is a treckie, very distant, loner, total fucking weirdo.
 
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MP's write to Home Secretary stating survivors must be on panel.
Kalfindin said:
That stat is higher in the general public, its a damage limitation exercise. I think much more then 2% of Catholic clergy are paedophiles.

Short, left handed more likely to be nonces study finds.


http://www.thestar.com/life/health_...ophiles_tend_to_be_short_men_study_finds.html



Heres another mentalist find.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ellen-ladowsky/pedophilia-and-star-trek_b_5857.html

The LA Times recently ran a story about the Child Exploitation Section of the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit, which contained a mind-boggling statistic: of the more than 100 offenders the unit has arrested over the last four years, "all but one" has been "a hard-core Trekkie.
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So your average offender is 2cm shorter than the national average & the report does not say what how much more likely they are to be a lefty just more likely. Successful sportsmen & women are more likely to be left handed. Does that mean that more successful you are at sport, the more likely you are attracted to kids? It is a study from Canada not an international study which would have to take in to account the difference in national height which varies by a lot more than 2cm. It comes across as poor reporting.
 
Kalfindin said:
That stat is higher in the general public, its a damage limitation exercise. I think much more then 2% of Catholic clergy are paedophiles.

Short, left handed more likely to be nonces study finds.


http://www.thestar.com/life/health_...ophiles_tend_to_be_short_men_study_finds.html



Heres another mentalist find.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ellen-ladowsky/pedophilia-and-star-trek_b_5857.html

The LA Times recently ran a story about the Child Exploitation Section of the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit, which contained a mind-boggling statistic: of the more than 100 offenders the unit has arrested over the last four years, "all but one" has been "a hard-core Trekkie.

My webdesign guy is a treckie, very distant, loner, total fucking weirdo.
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weird, my otherwise sane appearing philosophy teacher in sixth form used to love to use examples from star trek during class. He followed one of his students to Oxford and had to resign.
 
Kalfindin said:
That stat is higher in the general public, its a damage limitation exercise. I think much more then 2% of Catholic clergy are paedophiles.

Short, left handed more likely to be nonces study finds.


http://www.thestar.com/life/health_...ophiles_tend_to_be_short_men_study_finds.html



Heres another mentalist find.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ellen-ladowsky/pedophilia-and-star-trek_b_5857.html

The LA Times recently ran a story about the Child Exploitation Section of the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit, which contained a mind-boggling statistic: of the more than 100 offenders the unit has arrested over the last four years, "all but one" has been "a hard-core Trekkie.

My webdesign guy is a treckie, very distant, loner, total fucking weirdo.
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Gives a whole new sinister twist to the phrase "to boldy go where no man has gone before."
 
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Bernie Gunther said:
I'm not sure that the Butler-Sloss inquiry into the Cleveland abuse cases was necessarily that dodgy though and in the wider context of the satanic panics the bloke in that article had a point IMO.
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I should have been more explicit.

The Mail should be embarrassed about promoting paedogeddon now, when then it was ready then to take the side of parents - many of whom were abusing - against social workers.

The reference to what happens on "estates" in the article was important.

The implication was that Mail-reading parents couldn't possibly be doing that kind of shit - and that was the entire political point of satanscares - "it's them over there not us!" - and why they served as cover for actual abuse (by Mail-reading stepfathers, uncles, brothers, fathers..."
 
laptop said:
I should have been more explicit.

The Mail should be embarrassed about promoting paedogeddon now, when then it was ready then to take the side of parents - many of whom were abusing - against social workers.

The reference to what happens on "estates" in the article was important.

The implication was that Mail-reading parents couldn't possibly be doing that kind of shit - and that was the entire political point of satanscares - "it's them over there not us!" - and why they served as cover for actual abuse (by Mail-reading stepfathers, uncles, brothers, fathers..."
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I see your point about the Mail's behaviour. They were also promoting Satanic paedogeddon back in the late 80's to early 90's too though as well as doing some debunking.

I'd expect that the Mail would find it hard to resist piling on with any opportunity to go on the attack on social workers for whatever reasons. Ditto a predisposition to attack anything someone like Bea Campbell had to say (and she said a lot of stupid shit back then that was easy to attack) No doubt though there's also a split along the lines you suggest. Pro-paedogeddon bile against people on 'estates' contrasted with debunking of middle class abuse.

Pretty clearly there was some actual abuse going on in both Cleveland and Rochdale (of the sordid intra-family kind rather than Cyril, Jimmy and their mates abusing kids in institutional situation)

In that period, say late 1987 onwards, Satanic Ritual Abuse hysteria promoted by xtian loons was being amplified by professional sensationalists like Cook, Dickens and the Mail. I would argue that it had a similar effect to that which alien autopsy stories had on Lockheed testing secret stealth aircraft at Area 51. A strong impact on the credibility of stories about funny looking aircraft that didn't show up on radar in the latter case and a strong impact on the credibility of any revelations about actual child abuse in the former. That would potentially affect both the intra-family / isolated stuff (including middle-class child abuse) and the organised use of the care home system as a child brothel for toffs.
 
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Kaka Tim said:
It is interesting that none of the names on that list have tried to get it suppressed. Especially after the macalpine farrago .
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sorry if this has been pointed out but am wading through this thread and off to bed now and wanted to post this whilst I remembered. This list is nothing, even if it is genuine, which I think it probably is, and the names are genuine, which they might not be, then all it shows is a list of people who once stayed at a gay B&B where abuse has allegedly occurred (and I have no doubts it did but the list proves nothing, it's not evidence of anything). I also think its worth mentioning that Maloney has been one of the biggest cheerleaders of Ben Fellows, who is a fraud, and that Chris Fay was recently involved in quite a nasty fraud himself - whilst that doesnt mean he's not sincere in this case I think its worth knowing and it also means he'll have zero credibility should this ever come into court. which is why I suspect none of the press will touch it unless something far more substantial comes out.
 
smokedout said:
sorry if this has been pointed out but am wading through this thread and off to bed now and wanted to post this whilst I remembered. This list is nothing, even if it is genuine, which I think it probably is, and the names are genuine, which they might not be, then all it shows is a list of people who once stayed at a gay B&B where abuse has allegedly occurred (and I have no doubts it did but the list proves nothing, it's not evidence of anything). I also think its worth mentioning that Maloney has been one of the biggest cheerleaders of Ben Fellows, who is a fraud, and that Chris Fay was recently involved in quite a nasty fraud himself - whilst that doesnt mean he's not sincere in this case I think its worth knowing and it also means he'll have zero credibility should this ever come into court. which is why I suspect none of the press will touch it unless something far more substantial comes out.
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Chris Fay only got onto this in the early 90s, the press first reported the abuse cover up in the mid 80s. There were and have been witnesses and names named,the point being they were ignored.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_Guest_House_child_abuse_scandal


"A party was raided by the police in 1982, following which 12 boys gave evidence that they had been abused by men at the house. Kasir was convicted of the charge of running a disorderly house, but allegations of abuse against children, and a subsequent reported investigation in 2003, were apparently not pursued.[8]"
 
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Vera Baird, former solicitor general, now saying butler-sloss should step aside:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...itor-general-butler-sloss-child-abuse-inquiry

In theory the Gilberthorpe accusations should take her straight out of the inquiry, given that he names Havers, particularly if it ever became part of a police inquiry. For the moment they must be thinking Gilberthorpe is so tainted as a witness to ignore all that (probably rightly).
 
Wilf said:
Vera Baird, former solicitor general, now saying butler-sloss should step aside:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...itor-general-butler-sloss-child-abuse-inquiry

In theory the Gilberthorpe accusations should take her straight out of the inquiry, given that he names Havers, particularly if it ever became part of a police inquiry. For the moment they must be thinking Gilberthorpe is so tainted as a witness to ignore all that (probably rightly).
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Also reported here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28291275
 
But who should replace her?

You need someone who is familiar with the workings of the establishment but not part of it.

My vote would go for Shami Chakrabarti.
 
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