How much evidence is there of long term high level UK paedophile ring?

[Pickman's model]

Were we not due a re-shuffle today, or has that been postponed because of this

he's got to ask all the prospective ministers whether they're kiddy fiddlers.

 

[Quartz]

From The Guardian

Lady Butler-Sloss's resignation statement

Full credit to her for doing the right thing so quickly.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I think she stepped down because she didn't want further dragging through the mud and further press scrutiny on herself and her family. I don't for a moment recon it was out of reflecting on the matter and realising she is just exactly the wrong person for the job

Plus at her age perhaps she just couldn't be arsed. Its still the right decision.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Full credit to her for doing the right thing so quickly.

bollocks to that. She shouldn't have accepted the job in the first place. Typical upper crust arrogance to not even consider the fact that her brother was the fucking attorney general might present just a teensy weensy conflict of interest.

 

[Wilf]

Full credit to her for doing the right thing so quickly.

Well, yes going now is better than not going or spinning it out for another few days. Same time, she was monstrously arrogant to think that everyone praising her 'integrity' would overcome what was a blatant conflict of interest. The fact that she seemingly doesn't deny the 'giving the press a bishop' stuff for me means she's part of the problem, not the soluton.

Edit, beaten to it.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

So what's Lord Hutton up to these days?

 

[William of Walworth]

Full credit to her for doing the right thing so quickly.

Why do you even bother? Read posts 3724 and 3725.

 

[Quartz]

Why do you even bother? Read posts 3724 and 3725.

Get real. It may be umpteen pages in this thread, but it's only been a few days since she was appointed, including a weekend. Plus she's 80 and likely doesn't follow things online.

 

[Wilf]

Plus she's 80 and likely doesn't follow things online.

If she didn't realise her own brother being at the heart of the 'dossier' case and limiting the scope of the Kincora inquiry was a problem, it looks like she doesn't follow things offline as well.

 

[Wilf]

vaz v home sec on the telly now (committee hearing):
http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=15801

 

[Pickman's model]

Get real. It may be umpteen pages in this thread, but it's only been a few days since she was appointed, including a weekend. Plus she's 80 and likely doesn't follow things online.

or follow things too well generally.

 

[MrSki]

If she didn't realise her own brother being at the heart of the 'dossier' case and limiting the scope of the Kincora inquiry was a problem, it looks like she doesn't follow things offline as well.

And according to the Mirror being an attendee at the sex parties.

 

[William of Walworth]

Get real. It may be umpteen pages in this thread, but it's only been a few days since she was appointed, including a weekend. Plus she's 80 and likely doesn't follow things online.

You need to. She deserves not a single iota of credit. See Wilf's post (3729) just above.

 

[ViolentPanda]

mad frankie fields charts some right old bollocks as usual then.

He is at least gracious enough to provide us with frequent reminders of just how apposite his nickname is.

 

[weltweit]

vaz v home sec on the telly now (committee hearing):
http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=15801

When I started looking the word "obfuscation" came immediately to mind.

Also, it isn't just the chairperson of the committee that has yet to be established, the rest of the panel needs to be assigned also. So it could be some time before the enquiry gets going. And May was specific, this enquiry is not about bringing individual perpetrators or alleged perpetrators to book, anyone with specific allegations has still to go directly to the police.

 

[chandlerp]

Just in case the Google webcache gets removed, here is the Exaro article on freezepage

http://www.freezepage.com/1405248690SHZKYBWTDA

blocked at my workplace which, coincidentally, is local government.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

So, cameron looks a right mug for having appointed her

Yet another example of how head-in-hands incompetent this government is. Thing is, they have Civil Service advice about this stuff, and yeah yeah at the top end the CS is as Establishment as it gets, but they aren't fools, they are operators. Are they leaving this Govt to hang itself?

 

[ruffneck23]

One might hope but they are doing pretty well on their own

 

[elbows]

Were we not due a re-shuffle today, or has that been postponed because of this

Still happening, as there is an article on the bbc news site about Ken Clarke stepping down.

Its possible they delayed it very slightly to make it seem that the 'loud train phonetical' leak about the reshuffle didn't have all the facts right.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

he's got to ask all the prospective ministers whether they're kiddy fiddlers.

Is that still a job requirement?

 

[Pickman's model]

Is that still a job requirement?

i'm afraid so

 

[Louis MacNeice]

A fundamental difficulty - which is pretty obvious but I'll spell it out anyway - is that anybody who the establishment will deem trustworthy, will need to be acceptable to the security services. For everybody else this means that either we would have to accept the security services effective veto (and lets not forget that the security services are necessarily one of the bodies being scrutinised) or question/dismiss the capability of the enquiry from day one. Personally I'd place myself in the second camp, and beyond the government doing the unthinkable (i.e. appointing someone genuinely independent) I can't see any way out of the paradox.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Presumably, given some of the cases he's been involved with, Michael Mansfield QC (for example) has to have been DV cleared in order to look at some of the evidence?

Edited to add: such speculation apart, obviously it's going to be someone from the establishment (I'd include Manfield, Chakravati et al in that), although ideally not someone whose close relatives have been named as being culpable.

A more fruitful area to put pressure on IMO is whether it's a proper public inquiry rather than a Hutton-style stitch up. So subpoenas, witnesses under oath etc.

Also, that it focus on child abuse rather than setting up the BBC and NHS for privatisation.

 

[quiquaquo]

Subpoenas? Can't see them accepting that and anyway a couple who need one are in countries without extradition treaties. Admittedly one of those is doing a wonderful job as a peace envoy but.

 

[little_legs]

Isn't Mansfield currently involved in Mark Duggan case?

 

[MrSki]

Isn't Mansfield currently involved in Mark Duggan case?

That finished last week. Was only a two day hearing. Considering the fact that judges seem to be part of the problem, anyone who is a QC is also not above being part of the establishment.

 

[teqniq]

Subpoenas? Can't see them accepting that and anyway a couple who need one are in countries without extradition treaties. Admittedly one of those is doing a wonderful job as a peace envoy but.

Anything else is unacceptable really.

 

[quiquaquo]

Anything else is unacceptable really.

Agreed but how much shit will be allowed to hit the fan is another matter.

 

[MrSki]

Subpoenas? Can't see them accepting that and anyway a couple who need one are in countries without extradition treaties. Admittedly one of those is doing a wonderful job as a peace envoy but.

Is there an extradition treaty with Barbados?

 

[teqniq]

Is there an extradition treaty with Barbados?

I think this has been discussed already and the answer is no.