Hotel housing asylum seekers attacked in Knowsley

[klang]

Shitty death this is a mirror to what’s happening in my town

Woman posts on Facebook about being followed by a bloke with brown skin in town

Suddenly an idiot narcissist DJ with drug convictions is posting in facebook about setting up keep our women safe group and asking for strong men to organise/join

The following posts are just lynch mob racism. I feel physically sick reading them. These cunts live amongst us

so depressing how little has changed....

 

[savoloysam]

Urgh. Vigilantism, so fucking wrong. Without posting details I am convinced my ex boss handed over my name to an online group somewhere in revenge for me raising a grievance against her. I was subsequently followed by a series of her friends and all of a sudden random strangers were suddenly hanging around my digs looking really fucking shifty. To say it was intimidating would be an understatement.

 

[Karl Masks]

This appears to have been the specific trigger:

How the fucking hell do you deal with this? Try to insert nuance and assert they aren't all like this guy and you'll get nowhere

 

[Sue]

Suddenly an idiot narcissist DJ with drug convictions is posting in facebook about setting up keep our women safe group and asking for strong men to organise/join

And on top of the racist shit, this is really fucking too.

 

[stereotypical]

Nope the only thing that caught anyone off guard was the size. This was planned and loads of it on Facebook. There was a counter protest outnumbered on the night. Situations like this need more than 'antifa' turning up , the fash were a small part of a large local crowd.

Yeah. Likely the cops expected a handful of fascists standing around and got overwhelmed when locals turned up. Throw in a few local scallies who will always be up for a straightner with the cops and its a mess.

Interestingly, all week on the social media stuff there has been no hint of fascist involvement, it was all apparent concerned locals, young mothers, peaceful protest etc etc. Now the protest has happened the fascists are out in the open posting all sorts of outright nasty nazi shit. The sinister bastards.

Also appears sections of the local community who still dont realise they've been had.

The rest of the city are piling on also saying stuff like 'how TF did you get swindled into this you idiots etc'.

 

[weepiper]

How the fucking hell do you deal with this? Try to insert nuance and assert they aren't all like this guy and you'll get nowhere

No faces. And the line about how you can't do this in this country because you'll get put in jail makes me suspicious that it's fake (what 15 year old girl is really going to calmly come out with that to a strange man chatting her up when she's by herself?)

 

[Karl Masks]

No faces. And the line about how you can't do this in this country because you'll get put in jail makes me suspicious that it's fake (what 15 year old girl is really going to calmly come out with that to a strange man chatting her up when she's by herself?)

I did briefly wonder that. It seemed oddly self assured.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Also appears sections of the local community who still dont realise they've been had.

The rest of the city are piling on also saying stuff like 'how TF did you get swindled into this you idiots etc'.

A recent analysis by the Guardian found that 25% of asylum seekers are housed in just 10 local authorities, 9 of which are among the most deprived in the UK.

If you place large numbers of asylum seekers in hotels in the most deprived parts of the country then it’s hardly surprising that problems can arise or that it can be fertile ground for the far right. As I said upthread this happened in Knowsley but it could happen anywhere where there is deprivation and large number of asylum seekers. The fault for this lies squarely with the government for failings on multiple levels.

 

[Diamond]

No faces. And the line about how you can't do this in this country because you'll get put in jail makes me suspicious that it's fake (what 15 year old girl is really going to calmly come out with that to a strange man chatting her up when she's by herself?)

There’s another version that shows a photo alongside (from the other side of the street) with his face and the back of her head. It’s clearly the same event from the associated details. Unfortunately, this thing clearly happened.

 

[platinumsage]

There’s another version that shows a photo alongside (from the other side of the street) with his face and the back of her head. It’s clearly the same event from the associated details. Unfortunately, this thing clearly happened.

In that picture was she holding up her passport showing her date of birth? Did it also show who instigated the conversation?

 

[Storm Fox]

A recent analysis by the Guardian found that 25% of asylum seekers are housed in just 10 local authorities, 9 of which are among the most deprived in the UK.

If you place large numbers of asylum seekers in hotels in the most deprived parts of the country then it’s hardly surprising that problems can arise or that it can be fertile ground for the far right. As I said upthread this happened in Knowsley but it could happen anywhere where there is deprivation and large number of asylum seekers. The fault for this lies squarely with the government for failings on multiple levels.

That's the rights thinking through and through. If you are poor and desperate, you need to know you are poor and desperate, and you should be eternally grateful for the tiniest benefit you receive or not receiving a worse treatment.

 

[Diamond]

Judge for yourself:

 

[Dystopiary]

Indeed, but something that was also entirely predictable.

The combination of a government policy of housing asylum seekers in hotels, deep inequalities and poverty in the communities where they are located, the yawning political vacuum in those communities (due to decomposing labourism or “red wall levelling up” Tory rule) and social media shit stirring and the only shock is that it’s taken this long.

What has happened in Knowsley might have and still could also happen in hundreds of other places, where people are on the bones of their arses, can’t pay their bills and deeply feel their economic, political and social peripheralisation and exclusion. Online rumours started by the far right - about where asylum seekers live and what they receive - can be the lit match lobbed on to the tinderbox. I’m seeing more and more of this on Facebook in the West Midlands. Fash start rumours and a pile on starts.

Whilst the inevitable debate about the symptoms is important, tackling the causes (always the critical task) is, and has been for years, the key question.

Yeah totally, plus the corporate media with their reams of PANIC headlines for their nasty articles.

 

[pug]

Judge for yourself:

It looks staged to me, you cant hear what hes saying, it could be anything. It follows exactly the script of the emails I've seen claiming the same incident has happened in your local area and the same accusation that they dont know it's illegal.

You shouldn't peddle this fash lies diamond unless you're one of them?

 

[weepiper]

Judge for yourself:

That's not doing anything to convince me it's not being done by actors tbh. It's one of these dogwhistle things that if you're already a little bit racist will just confirm your bias, whether it's real or not. Schoolgirls get sexually harassed by older men of all colours and backgrounds all the time in the UK without anyone getting put in jail for it. Edit, and mobs of angry men don't turn up setting fire to police vans outside where white men live as a rule. Not for the sort of thing shown in this video.

 

[Dystopiary]

I'm 100% certain that loads of these people know British men who've tried it on with underage girls, it happens all the fucking time. In the 80s and 90s "if she's old enough to... " was the saying, I'm sure loads of people have heard that one.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

If you look down his Twitter feed it’s predictably all about immigrants and Muslims. Concerned local my arse.

 

[Diamond]

That's not doing anything to convince me it's not being done by actors tbh. It's one of these dogwhistle things that if you're already a little bit racist will just confirm your bias, whether it's real or not. Schoolgirls get sexually harassed by older men of all colours and backgrounds all the time in the UK without anyone getting put in jail for it. Edit, and mobs of angry men don't turn up setting fire to police vans outside where white men live as a rule. Not for the sort of thing shown in this video.

Yeah, I think your last point is a very good one and I’ve thought quite a bit about it as well. This isn’t unique but I’d want to know more about prevalence. The thing that strikes me here is that this sort of thing is unprecedented in Britain really and, for all the reasons set out above, that crowd is unlikely to be far right while they clearly feel they have a legitimate grievance. Frankly, I can also see a lot of London meeja elite class prejudice going on in a lot of the popular response.

 

[Karl Masks]

A competent media and opposition would have the Tories roasted alive for this. It's absolutely their failure to own, from privatisation to ideology

 

[savoloysam]

A competent media and opposition would have the Tories roasted alive for this. It's absolutely their failure to own, from privatisation to ideology

They don't want to own. Neither party or the media. They just want to divide and rule. It's all too easy for them.

 

[nogojones]

A competent media and opposition would have the Tories roasted alive for this. It's absolutely their failure to own, from privatisation to ideology

Labour will carry on doing the same shit. You're tripping if you think otherwise.

 

[Karl Masks]

Labour will carry on doing the same shit. You're tripping if you think otherwise.

Broadly speaking they aren't going to take anything close to an ideal approach, however I do not believe they will be as chaotic as this government, nor will they engage in the kind of race baiting and deliberate stoking of xenophobia as with Braverman. And I'm not interested in argiung the toss

 

[nogojones]

And I'm not interested in argiung the toss

What you here for then?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Judge for yourself:

So the girl filmed this on her phone but didn't bother to point the phone at the guy's face.

By random chance someone else across the street takes a photo of this happening and that photo finds its way into the same social media gene pool as the video.

 

[Signal 11]

You shouldn't peddle this fash lies diamond unless you're one of them?

That one always pops up when there's a chance to push far-right talking points. A quick look at the posting history will confirm. Of course he tries not to make it too obvious here. The twitter account he's quoting isn't as careful about that.

 

[likesfish]

Perfect storm
Dump asylum seekers in a deprived area with nothing to do.
Some men from 3rd world countries thanks to internet porn have really messed up ideas about western women. .
The far right just needs to sit back and wait prepare to cry Nonce and let the chaos roll

 

[Pickman's model]

Broadly speaking they aren't going to take anything close to an ideal approach, however I do not believe they will be as chaotic as this government, nor will they engage in the kind of race baiting and deliberate stoking of xenophobia as with Braverman. And I'm not interested in argiung the toss

Oh you are, you're a tosser

 

[muscovyduck]

I think pretending stuff like this never happens isn't helpful. The problem is that it's being used as an excuse for abuse, which is a disproportionate response (although that understates what it is in this case, which is literal fucking fascism). I mention the phrase disproportionate response because that's the core of understanding what's going on and being able to articulate it to other people who might get drawn in to something like this. What's happening here is the same dynamic as how violent abusers will poke and prod at their victims until they can manufacture a flimsy excuse to deck them, or when someone goes out of their way combing through someone else's social media to find a way to get them sacked or whatever. Its people going looking for an excuse and when they find it they go from 0-100, which satisfies their own internal narrative and also helps coopt other people into getting involved and making it difficult for a victim to hold them accountable.

 

[Pickman's model]

A competent media and opposition would have the Tories roasted alive for this. It's absolutely their failure to own, from privatisation to ideology

The Labour Party have been the best recruiting sergeants the fash have ever had, as anyone who recalls the rise of the bnp in the 00s will aver

 

[Dystopiary]

Yeah, I think your last point is a very good one and I’ve thought quite a bit about it as well. This isn’t unique but I’d want to know more about prevalence. The thing that strikes me here is that this sort of thing is unprecedented in Britain really and, for all the reasons set out above, that crowd is unlikely to be far right while they clearly feel they have a legitimate grievance. Frankly, I can also see a lot of London meeja elite class prejudice going on in a lot of the popular response.

What sort of thing is unprecedented in Britain?