Horizon: Should I eat Meat?

[ddraig]

I'm the easier target tho
They love it
E2a to JTG

 

[ddraig]

Aye, but nobody's taking you seriously.

Draigo quoting that lot says more about him than those he's quoted!

Can u stop pissing with my username please cunty

 

[el-ahrairah]

do you get to decide if your own conscience is clear? if so, what's the point of having a conscience? after all, almost no-one deliverately does stuff they think is wrong unless they believe themselves to have no choice. using your own conscience as a judge is kind of pointless, because you're always going to find yourself innocent. you should throw yourself before a jury of your peers, bees!

oh wait, isn;'t that what we''re doing?

 

[Spymaster]

I'm the easier target tho

((((draig))))

You make yourself a bigger target by being a bigger dick!

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Except, errr, it works perfectly for me. I am happy to eat meat. I am perfectly happy to kill and prepare an animal for eating and have done so. If my long term dream of ending up in the countryside ever comes off I plan to keep a bird of prey and regularly hunt for the purpose of acquiring food for my table. My conscience is and will be clear.

No it doesn't, it shows that your reasoning is based on a logical fallacy, i.e. you are using facts about the way the world is (we eat meat [x]) to argue about how the world ought to be (we should or are permitted to eat meat [y] ). Yet [x] does not automatically generate [y]. See for comparison: racism is widespread [x] therefore racism should be widespread [y]. You need additional arguments beyond meat eating being 'natural'.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

do you get to decide if your own conscience is clear?

I do, yes. An advantage of genuinely not really giving a fuck what others think about me

I have my own moral compass. Shaped by external factors and people undoubtably but ultimately defined by me. As long as I get to the end of my days on earth without having deviated from it too much I'll be happy.

 

[Cid]

do you get to decide if your own conscience is clear? if so, what's the point of having a conscience? after all, almost no-one deliverately does stuff they think is wrong unless they believe themselves to have no choice. using your own conscience as a judge is kind of pointless, because you're always going to find yourself innocent. you should throw yourself before a jury of your peers, bees!

oh wait, isn;'t that what we''re doing?

What objective standard do you base your moral decisions on then ?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

You need additional arguments beyond meat eating being 'natural'

No, I don't. Unless "and it tastes fucking great" is acceptable?

 

[el-ahrairah]

What objective standard do you base your moral decisions on then ?

elahrairah's big book of right and wrong. you'd better be sure to have lived according to it, or you're going to be in trouble come the second wave of post-revolutionary purges.

 

[ddraig]

No, I don't. Unless "and it tastes fucking great" is acceptable?

Must be if you say it is

 

[Jeff Robinson]

No, I don't. Unless "and it tastes fucking great" is acceptable?

So far that's all you've got, because your point about it being 'natural' carries no moral salience. And 'it tastes fucking great' isn't a very good stand alone argument. You can think of your own counter-examples.

 

[el-ahrairah]

things that bring you pleasure are always good.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

So far that's all you've got, because your point about it being 'natural' carries no moral salience. And 'it tastes fucking great' isn't a very good stand alone argument. You can think of your own counter-examples.

Well, what more do I/should I need? Let's take the example of me going off to live in the countryside - I raise a pig, keep it well fed in suitable conditions etc. When the time comes it becomes bacon. This process has harmed nobody. Unless you equate a pigs life with that of a human. And I don't.

 

[ddraig]

And what you says goes!
No one has equated the life of an animal with a human so you can stop that shit

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

No one has equated the life of an animal with a human

I didn't say they had you hysterical tit, I was stating my position.

 

[el-ahrairah]

so what you're saying is that you can only cause harm to a human?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

so what you're saying is that you can only cause harm to a human?

No, of course not. Do I support hunting a fox for the sole purpose of entertaining a few people on horseback? No. Do I support the hunting of game that will be eaten? Yes.

etc. etc.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I believe it is perfectly acceptable to eat animals but not cause them unnecessary suffering, neglect or pain. That clear enough?

 

[el-ahrairah]

but you said the process of raising and slaughtering a pigs harms no-one.

how do you slaughter a pig without harming it?

do you wait for it to die of natural causes?

 

[ddraig]

I didn't say they had you hysterical tit, I was stating my position.

Stop projecting dear
Just get on with your normal righteous life, no need to defend or explain your reasons is there now. You are correct and others are wrong.

 

[el-ahrairah]

oh, i see. necessary suffering is ok. where necessary is definited as "something that brings me pleasure"

 

[ddraig]

I believe it is perfectly acceptable to eat animals but not cause them unnecessary suffering, neglect or pain. That clear enough?

But seeing as it's not technically necessary to eat them and they must have some pain from death then you are causing unnecessary suffering. Just that your wants come above that, pretty straightforward

 

[el-ahrairah]

actually, because i've got to leave now and i can't pick this thread up until tomorrow, i will say that actually, apart from the bit where you kill the beloved family pet, i am less opposed to bees' ideas than i am to the capitalist-industrial model of animal farming.

 

[ddraig]

Me too

 

[Dr_Herbz]

That'd be fuckin great. I'd quite enjoy that I reckon.

I've killed and prepared a good range of animals. Its a bit horrible tos tart with. But you get used to it. And now I think nothing of it.
All though, I can't be fucked with plucking a bird ever again. Its a right fuck on

I'd have no problem with this. I've killed and eaten rabbit, pheasant, duck, pigeon and all manner of fish. It's a messy job but it does make you appreciate/respect the animal a bit more than if you bought it from Tesco.

I hate the idea of intensively farmed meat. I don't buy it, which means I eat less meat but about twice a week I eat locally farmed, really nice, 21 day dry-aged steak. It's wonderful!

I think I'd rather not eat meat than than knowingly eat intensively farmed meat... Unless of course it's bacon, then I couldn't give a rat's arse where it comes from.

E2A... Joustmaster, if you coat the bird in mud, and roast it in the embers of a fire, the feathers fall out as you peel the mud off it.

 

[Spymaster]

but you said the process of raising and slaughtering a pigs harms no-one.

how do you slaughter a pig without harming it?

"No one" is generally accepted to refer to 'no human'.

Do you consider a pig to be 'someone'?

 

[ddraig]

We've done this slow cunt

 

[Mr Retro]

shellfish have always been animals. according to science, that is.

But it doesn't help the vegetarian argument to say that somebody who eats a couple of dozen mussels is responsible for the deaths of 24 animals. It dilutes the argument and makes it weak and makes the person claiming it look ridiculous.

I see also ddraig (who must have serious time on his hands) has lumped what I said in with the other quotes apparently showing I'm overly for meat eating. Which isn't the case. Arguing like that is senseless. It makes no point.

 

[Spymaster]

But seeing as it's not technically necessary to eat them and they must have some pain from death then you are causing unnecessary suffering. Just that your wants come above that, pretty straightforward

Absolutely.

Most people exploit animals in one way or another, be that for transport, clothing, food, medical or cosmetic experimentation, or for company/interest. Beyond that it's just a question of degree.

 

[Spymaster]

Must be if you say it is

Of course it is with reference to the way he's comfortable living his own life. Whose say so is it otherwise, yours?