Think the point is that talking about 'cyber' on its own doesn't mean anything. Cyber security, cyber crime, cyber whatever, sure. But saying 'you have a job or work in cyber', nah. I've never ever heard someone who works in the industry say they 'work in cyber'. (We're mainly assuming they mean 'cyber security' because that's what makes most sense in this context.)
Should people in "the live arts" do another job until this blows over?
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Think the point is that talking about 'cyber' on its own doesn't mean anything. Cyber security, cyber crime, cyber whatever, sure. But saying 'you have a job or work in cyber', nah. I've never ever heard someone who works in the industry say they 'work in cyber'. (We're mainly assuming they mean 'cyber security' because that's what makes most sense in this context.)
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I don't think that's what most of the dinosaurs on the thread were thinking, but I do agree with you that cyber should usually be accompanied by something implying more specificity and that it's slightly clumsy on the part of the ad copywriters.
Maybe people thought Fatima should become a Cybergoth - Wikipedia
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Everyone I know calls it "infosec" or "IT security", or uses other terms more specific to their speciality. "Cyber-security" is certainly a rubbish but existing term. "Cyber" is just wank and will be the basis of piss-takes amongst developers for a while now.
(For anyone interested, infosec as a term is not actually specific to computers, though it's frequently used as that as a large amount of information is stored and accessed via computers. I mean "IT" basically means "computers" now too.)
(For anyone interested, infosec as a term is not actually specific to computers, though it's frequently used as that as a large amount of information is stored and accessed via computers. I mean "IT" basically means "computers" now too.)
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It's also worth mentioning btw that "learn to code" has been a line used by right wing trolls for a while now, which makes the ads seem particularly insensitive.
Yeah, think most people say they work in security. I only ever hear 'infosec' when they're talking about the 'infosec policy"...
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Cyber tends to be used by management and HR types.
Anyone working with computers calls it something more descriptive and actually useful based on the role.
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hiraethified
Yep. 'Cyber' really is something of a niche and mainly outdated term this days, no matter what some ageist posters think.
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It suggested actor?
Mind you if you become a professional boxer I promise to buy a ticket for the stream.
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hiraethified
It would certainly be my own and only bout.It suggested actor?
Mind you if you become a professional boxer I promise to buy a ticket for the stream.
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It's really not. It's widely used and is becoming more widely used all the time.
You can do post-grad qualifications in it at my local university, which seeks to 'address the cyber skills gap' (their words, not mine) and you can find articles all over the place talking about 'cyber skills' etc., e.g. West of England region aims to lead the way in cyber
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hiraethified
The government referred to getting a job in 'cyber.' Not cyber security.
They probably meant IT.
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The article I linked to from two years ago is advertising an project called, 'Do Cyber' specifically to 'develop skills to work in cyber'. It does sound wanky and you might not like it, but it's not niche or outdated.The government referred to getting a job in 'cyber.' Not cyber security.
They probably meant IT.
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Wow. I think most people on this thread were quite aware of that, except perhaps the people saying that retraining in "cyber" could be a good idea, since it's not really something a ballerina, warehouse worker, call-centre worker or anyone else could just retrain to work in within a year or two.
Your boss has an MSc in Cyber, which he'll have got after either many years experience in his job, or an undergrad degree plus experience. It's not a job you get into with an ECDL.
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Get with the times, people. Two years ago Trump said 'the cyber is so big.' Don't you want to sound like Donald?
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littlebabyjesus
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Speaking as a dinosaur, I didn't think 'cyber security'. I didn't think anything. I have absolutely no idea what is meant by 'cyber' beyond that it must be something to do with computers.
As for the ads, I think some people are missing the point about the absurdity of all this. For starters, retraining is expensive. You have to take out big loans and find a way to pay the rent while you're doing it. By the time your retraining has finished, the jobs ended by covid19 will be back and going again. So presumably there'll be huge competition in 'cyber' between all the retrained after their first jobs, and nobody to do the arts jobs that are coming back on line. What people out of work cos of c19 need is money right now, not some patronising bullshit about retraining that would cost them money.
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hiraethified
Sorry, was there a point to your post?
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This whole debate keeps making me hum this excellent song by parquet courts, substituting cyber for combat: Parquet Courts – Careers In Combat
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He should retrain and get a job in cyber.
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