Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[Pickman's model]

Why would allowing Palestinian Arabs to settle in the State of Israel create a civil war?

It shouldn't. But it would

 

[maomao]

The most extreme of the settlers would pose a problem, but they will in any scenario.

They're posing a pretty big problem in the current scenario. Suggesting everybody else should back down and accept the unacceptable or a small band of nutters will kick off does seem to be the basis of all 21st century politics though.

 

[Dystopiary]

Another journalist murdered for doing his job:

View attachment 445624

He was only 19.

Palestinian journalist killed in Israeli bombing after threats to end Gaza coverage

 

[tim]

okay but my understanding was that in the case of Israel the emphasis on being of the right ethnicity goes quite far as in the regulations around aliyah and who does and does not have to carry an id card,gets to drive on certain roads does and does not get building permits and so on but if you say this is not the case i am willing to be persuaded.

It affects who gets to migrate to Israel.

The 20% of Israelis who are Christian, Muslim and Druze Palestinians/Israeli Arabs (as oppose to Palestinians who live in the occupied West Bank andGaza) have the same civil rights as Jewish Israelis. However, a lot of jobs are reserved for military veterans Jews and Druze have to do national service other Arabs don't. This is further complicated by the fact that some Bedouin join the army and many Ultra Orthodox Jews refuse to.

Palestinians living in East Jerusalem which was occupied and annexed by Israel after the Six Day War and Syrian Druze living in the annexed Golan Heights were granted permanent residency which includes and the right to apply for full Israeli citizenship.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It affects who gets to migrate to Israel.

The 20% of Israelis who are Christian, Muslim and Druze Palestinians/Israeli Arabs (as oppose to Palestinians who live in the occupied West Bank andGaza) have the same civil rights as Jewish Israelis. However, a lot of jobs are reserved for military veterans Jews and Druze have to do national service other Arabs don't. This is further complicated by the fact that some Bedouin join the army and many Ultra Orthodox Jews refuse to.

Palestinians living in East Jerusalem which was occupied and annexed by Israel after the Six Day War and Syrian Druze living in the annexed Golan Heights were granted permanent residency which includes and the right to apply for full Israeli citizenship.

There are ethnic differences formally built in to Israel itself, the military service requirement being the most obvious one. But that's only the start of it. The bantustanisation of the West Bank and the maintenance of an open-air prison in Gaza are the major expressions of Israeli Apartheid afaic. The Gaza prison is plain criminal, but the idea of a policy of 'separate development' (aka development for some, no development for many) appears most starkly on the West Bank.

 

[Gramsci]

The amnesty international report does make clear when it's talking about Israel and Apartheid it also means Israel itself within its own borders as practicing Apartheid