Grenfell Tower fire in North Kensington - news and discussion

[killer b]

Now, I'm not saying anything about the people being featured in the video - the video has clearly been assembled from other people's footage - but that ‘filmmaker’ is clearly of a dubious political background.

They're called ELITE NWO AGENDA, and they post up videos which claim that - say - the London Bridge terror attack was a staged/false flag incident, reupload Alex Jones InfoWars clips, have an obsession with the gold standard, is pro-Trump, etc. ENWOA's core audience is alt-right and the like.

Elite NWO Agenda
https://www.patreon.com/elitenwoagenda

OMG. anudder oik sharing racists videos y'say? I am amazed.

 

[DaveCinzano]

There's a website up providing updated information - donations, volunteers, legal support and such like - worth checking out here:

Grenfell Fire - How To Help

 

[Wilf]

yes you have. right here:



That's the attitude you attribute to me in your smear attempt. I have not said that it was "all just procedure". So, please don't try and make out like I have.

And I did not appear on this thread to decry a minor misreported element as "hysteria". It was to decry very poor journalism as very poor journalism.

You really have manufactured this little drama haven't you? Starts off with a couple of 'you don't understand the planning process' posts, moves onto digs about 'political narratives', then you are left trying to excuse a letter sent out about ASB after the fire. This really isn't the thread for trolling and playing out your victim status. Go away.

 

[belboid]

If what you did was to fairly point out dishonesty and hypocrisy, it would not be harassment. Correct. You should try it.

You wrote about automated mail systems while quoting a piece referring to hand delivery. The contradiction between those two statements is very clear.

 

[editor]

Getting spicy outside the council offices.

 

[Pickman's model]

You really have manufactured this little drama haven't you? Starts off with a couple of 'you don't understand the planning process', moves onto digs about 'political narratives', then you are left trying to excuse a letter sent out about ASB after the fire. This really isn't the thread for trolling and playing out your victim status. Go away.

yeh. it's the teuchter show i mentioned yesterday.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Found a nice place for some of those without a home. Only 1.8 miles walk from Grenfell Tower.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Getting hotter outside the council offices.

 

[Pickman's model]

Getting spicy outside the council offices.

and inside...

 

[cupid_stunt]

Looks like it starting to kick-off, large crowd trying to get into the town hall, BBC are there, no sign of the police.

 

[editor]

Repost...

 

[teuchter]

You wrote about automated mail systems while quoting a piece referring to hand delivery. The contradiction between those two statements is very clear.

The piece did not refer to hand delivery. Check your facts. More dishonesty from you.

 

[not-bono-ever]

seems to be on FB - is there a youtube link or something - cannot access FB

 

[teuchter]

then you are left trying to excuse a letter sent out about ASB after the fire.

No I'm not. More smear.

 

[Wilf]

No I'm not. More smear.

Seriously, just fuck off. Stop playing this game.

 

[Who PhD]

I hope it does kick off, long time coming

 

[not-bono-ever]

aha, on iplayer/ news live

 

[Who PhD]

Fucking RAGE!

Sun journalist 'impersonated Grenfell Tower victim's friend at hospital'

 

[haushoch]

Oh lord, really?

I've not seen the detailing but if its as described it sounds like a proper dog's dinner.

A couple of things though. What was the insulation actually fixed back to? There must have been some sort of substrate, surely? Also the firebreaks (I can't believe I'm even talking about firebreaks on a building this high) wouldn't need to be in contact against the back the cladding. The whole principle of ventilated rainscreen is that there is a continual vented cavity, a firebreak would block this. Instead you'd have intumescents (expanding chemicals) in there to expand and block the cavity at the first sign of fire.

I queried the presence /performance of the inutumescents towards the start of this thread.

Also fucking mastic. If anyone is still using mastic (which has a design life of about 6 minutes) on facades in this era they need shooting.

I've found this detail from the application for the approval of details reserved by condition, which can be found here:

Planning Search

I've attached two images of the same detail, the second image is just a closer look of the first one. It does detail horizontal cavity fire barriers and shows how the cladding panels are mounted to the structure of the building. It says the windows are aluminium framed.

 

[Badgers]

aha, on iplayer/ news live

BBC News Channel - BBC News

 

[teuchter]

Seriously, just fuck off. Stop playing this game.

Stop playing the game of saying I've said things that I haven't, and there will be no need for it to continue.

 

[eatmorecheese]

On the 'no ball games' thing, a former colleague of mine did his youth work dissertation on the subject. He told me that, legally, there is almost no basis in law for enforcing such bans. No idea if this is true. Does anyone else know? Out and about, will do some googling later...

 

[scifisam]

I'm not an expert on automated mailing systems but it seems possible that something could be set up to go out on the next working day.

My thinking tends to go along the lines of perhaps this wasn't necessarily the result of one of my fellow humans being a heartless monster but it turns out, that indicates my lack of humanity.

An automated mailing system that made the people hand delivering the letters to it and do it with no control over their body's actions? They're remotely controlled robots that can step over debris and dodge past grieving relatives but are you to deliver mail? I mean I'm not an expert on automated mailing systems either but I suspect that's beyond the council's budget.

 

[editor]

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[Pickman's model]

Stop playing the game of saying I've said things that I haven't, and there will be no need for it to continue.

you haven't said what a horrible disaster this is, and until you can demonstrate that you actually give a shit about what happened at grenfell tower perhaps you might cease posting on this thread.

 

[squirrelp]

I've found this detail from the application for the approval of details reserved by condition, which can be found here:

Planning Search

I've attached two images of the same detail, the second image is just a closer look of the first one. It does detail horizontal cavity fire barriers and shows how the cladding panels are mounted to the structure of the building. It says the windows are aluminium framed.

View attachment 109487 View attachment 109488

Note the caveat 'where applicable' to the fire barrier. Was it deemed applicable wherever it should have been?

 

[J Ed]

Surprising it took this long.

 

[maomao]

Could we please have teuchter banned from the thread? I know he'll start a tremendously annoying thread about it in the feedback forum but he really is being a prize cunt and ruining things on this one. Please editor .

 

[hash tag]

I was feeling for the poor council staff who were not at fault over this and must be terrified at the invasion of their offices. As posted earlier, they are stretched beyond their limits due to job cuts etc. not had a pay rise for a long time and suffering further because of decisions taken by a few.
The tory led council in this were shit but Is this not more of a reflection of a broken Britain and the demo was a long time coming. Should the demo not target May/the government/Downing Street....the "bigger picture".

Storming the council offices will only hamper the people who are trying to sort out homes for many of those poor people.

 

[Wilf]

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Fucking hell, kids holding photos up.