She's wearing that haunted look all the time now. It first started after Manchester (where she definitely knows she had a role in that) and has continued through London Bridge and now to Grenfell. She is utterly broken and is just trying to hide but her party won't let her go.
Grenfell Tower fire in North Kensington - news and discussion
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She's wearing that haunted look all the time now. It first started after Manchester (where she definitely knows she had a role in that) and has continued through London Bridge and now to Grenfell. She is utterly broken and is just trying to hide but her party won't let her go.
bimble
floofy
Sorry if this has already been posted.
Difference between inquest and a public enquiry petition to force an Inquest instead of the promised enquiry:
UK Parliament: This government must carry out an INQUEST into the Grenfell tragedy, not a public inquiry
edit: some informed people do not agree and say public enquiry is more suited. (i know nothing).
Difference between inquest and a public enquiry petition to force an Inquest instead of the promised enquiry:
UK Parliament: This government must carry out an INQUEST into the Grenfell tragedy, not a public inquiry
edit: some informed people do not agree and say public enquiry is more suited. (i know nothing).
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
At some point the bean counter who ticked the box for one type of cladding over another may well be picked up and monstered as an individual. If they are it'll be a red herring, because those decisions are absolutely in keeping with and testament to the endless pressure for "efficiency savings" that people above that sort of pay grade have been piling on for decades now (often in order to justify their own enormous salary hikes, or political reputations).
scifisam
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I don't think there's any deliberate suppression of the number dead, it's just that they don't know.
Think about who might have been in that building. People will have had lodgers (possibly to help with bedroom tax), friends visiting, possibly using their flats as air b&bs given the location, and the private flats may well have crammed in many times the number of people supposed to be living there. Kids won't be listed on the TMO's records if they were born after the tenant moved in.
Although it's likely that everyone who survived has reported in, that doesn't help much. I mean they won't just be able to say "right, here's the number of tenants, and here's the number of survivors, so what's left must be the fatalities." I doubt they can even make a rough estimate and that'd be a pretty shoddy way to treat something so serious anyway.
The for brigade have only just been able to enter the top floors of the building to start searching for bodies. And given the length of time the fire went on and the young age of some of the missing it might well be hard to even find their bodies.
Think about who might have been in that building. People will have had lodgers (possibly to help with bedroom tax), friends visiting, possibly using their flats as air b&bs given the location, and the private flats may well have crammed in many times the number of people supposed to be living there. Kids won't be listed on the TMO's records if they were born after the tenant moved in.
Although it's likely that everyone who survived has reported in, that doesn't help much. I mean they won't just be able to say "right, here's the number of tenants, and here's the number of survivors, so what's left must be the fatalities." I doubt they can even make a rough estimate and that'd be a pretty shoddy way to treat something so serious anyway.
The for brigade have only just been able to enter the top floors of the building to start searching for bodies. And given the length of time the fire went on and the young age of some of the missing it might well be hard to even find their bodies.
phillm
Trolling through Life (TM)
Her god in heaven is waiting for her maybe she should make an appointment.
I don't think He'll want see her.
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
I wasn't really going to comment on this because I don't have anything in particular to say that hasn't already been said in this thread. Like most on here my thoughts are with those that have lost their lives/injured and their relatives. I one thing that did grab my attention was this video...
...I have known of Ishmahil for nearly 20 years and consider him to be a good egg. I did a quick search and noticed that he has been mentioned in other threads. I agree with him, there does need to be a bit of a "shake up". This level of neglect is just not acceptable, and although the full facts have yet to be determined, there does appear to have been a "profit before people" mentality amongst those in charge and the poorest people are not being looked after properly.
If it is true what that lady said and that there was nobody from the council helping with coordination, then that is really not good enough.
...I have known of Ishmahil for nearly 20 years and consider him to be a good egg. I did a quick search and noticed that he has been mentioned in other threads. I agree with him, there does need to be a bit of a "shake up". This level of neglect is just not acceptable, and although the full facts have yet to be determined, there does appear to have been a "profit before people" mentality amongst those in charge and the poorest people are not being looked after properly.
If it is true what that lady said and that there was nobody from the council helping with coordination, then that is really not good enough.
Assuming it was a design & build contract the decision would have been made by the contractor, in this case Rydon. The architect would have had to agree it but under a d & b contract it is usually quite hard for them to argue as long as the alternative is 'similar and approved'.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
they're all in it together
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
hot. a long hot summer. like a summer with a thousand julys.
ruffneck23
front left
alas yes , but hopefully they can turn it around
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
I hope that we've moved beyond that kind of reaction, but things do need to change in my opinion. This fire and the deaths is completely unacceptable and should not be tolerated and we need to do whatever it takes collectively to make sure that nothing like this ever happens again, but hopefully not by rioting.
There are a set of circumstances, time and place when rioting becomes inevitable. This is not one of these times I believe. Maybe more impact will be achieved by mass sit downs and causing London to come to a standstill for a day. Less damage and a peaceful, reflective protest against the poison that flows through this land.
gosub
~#
If it was just the cladding...but it isn't, the fire also spread internally and that ain't supposed to happen.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh. rioting not inevitable. but it is, i suggest, on the cards given the conjunction of circumstances and personalities. the fuel for a riot is certainly present, and it depends whether there is a spark to ignite it. your mass sit downs, for example, could easily offer such a flashpoint. but there's a lot of very angry people who were not listened to when disaster could have been so easily and who are now living in the aftermath of the destruction of grenfell tower. it would be foolish to write off the possibility of a riot, and - imo - patronising to say do this but don't do that. if a riot is the language of the unheard then prepare for disorder.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
by sitting meekly and waiting for the wheels of justice to turn?
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
FFS.
Note: Letter was dated 14th, but apparently hand delivered today.
Note: Letter was dated 14th, but apparently hand delivered today.
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Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Follow-up tweet.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you'd have thought they wanted to kick things off
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
The whole thing is rather odd. I wouldn't have expected a fire to spread so quickly in a modern high rise, like you said, that absolutely should not happen, especially after it had a lot of money spent on "refurbishment", so there's something wrong there and lessons need to be learned. Until there has been a full investigation I suppose we won't know for sure what role the cladding played, but I suspect it wasn't just the cladding and that there were other factors involved, for example lack of sprinklers etc.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They know what's coming - and it ain't kicking footballs on a wall.
phillm
Trolling through Life (TM)
I can only beleive this is some sort of fake trolling stunt. Because the alternative that it is true is beyond my imagination. But then wrapping a council block in cheap flammable plastic to prettify the view for the elite and then having numerous poor folks horribly burned to death as a result whilst a haunted , ghoul like PM flitted in the shadows of a growing cauldron of anger and grief is also almost beyond belief.
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ruffneck23
front left
And as if it was a bad thing , I'm getting ready
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Or, maybe, the letters were sent out before the fire took place. Just a crazy theory though.
Sea Star
have you ever explored your dark side?
Children playing is the opposite of anti-social - fucking miserable bastards!
Meanwhile the drug dealers that operate in my block continue unhindered.
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