not-bono-ever
meh
Yeah, it discussed the premise of Low probability/ High consequence risk wrt to catastrophic exceptional events & the tolerances involved .
Grenfell Tower fire in North Kensington - news and discussion
- Thread starter JTG
- Start date
Yeah, it discussed the premise of Low probability/ High consequence risk wrt to catastrophic exceptional events & the tolerances involved .
EastEnder
Brixton Barnacle
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
80 out of 120? That's obviously completely wrong. Don't spread bullshit, please.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Piece by a woman who worked for KCTMO and did inspections
When I worked for KCTMO I had nightmares about burning tower blocks | Seraphima Kennedy
talks about the impact of austerity on her ability to do the job and how she had nightmares. The way this all plays out over the next few years is going to be about the multiple layers in terms of building jobs and contractors, but also the multiple layers and arms length aspect of political control. At one level the multiple layers will be where the government hides and obfuscates, but its also a key manifestation of neo-liberalism as public sector policy - the very core of how social housing is now.
Have a feeling that Seraphima Kennedy is going to be an important voice in the various inquiries.
When I worked for KCTMO I had nightmares about burning tower blocks | Seraphima Kennedy
talks about the impact of austerity on her ability to do the job and how she had nightmares. The way this all plays out over the next few years is going to be about the multiple layers in terms of building jobs and contractors, but also the multiple layers and arms length aspect of political control. At one level the multiple layers will be where the government hides and obfuscates, but its also a key manifestation of neo-liberalism as public sector policy - the very core of how social housing is now.
Have a feeling that Seraphima Kennedy is going to be an important voice in the various inquiries.
If she's allowed to be.
I have little faith in judge led inquiries, especially when the event is this recent. I don't trust the establishment to investigate itself. I'd much prefer to see something more akin to the Hillsborough inquiry panel.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Police saying number of dead is now at 30.
Football fans died at Burnden Park in 1946, Ibrox in 1971, Bradford in 1985 and Hillsborough in 1989. There were reports published, standards raised - and still local authorities, football clubs, football authorities, the police and the government kept ignoring them all.
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
Police spokesman on the BBC just now, saying 30 deaths confirmed so far, and he expects that to increase as the building is made safe and a full search of the upper floors is carried out.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Fuck sakes 
Is there no depths to which those cunts will not stoop to sell papers
editor
hiraethified
Exactly. Landlords have (or should have) a duty to ensure their properties are safe immaterial of whether the residents like what that involves or not. To try and blame the tenants is despicable.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Sick fucking scum.
not-bono-ever
meh
I think the nature of the arms length structures that LA's are adopting to distance themselves from the functioning of ersatz ( for want of a better word) social housing , need to be critically examined to see whether these do indeed aid problems with responsibility and safety. It has been touched on early on in the thread.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Not sure it's appropriate to be finding amusing stories amid all this horror, but...
Yesterday, I saw some clips of what local people had been doing to support each other around the block and ended up with tears in my eyes at work. So, with a colleague who is also having a hard time, we nipped outside for a cig, with a good shot of whiskey in the coffee cups. 30 seconds later, a passing bird did a mega, liquid shit on my bald head. Cue tension relieving guffaws of laughter.
Yesterday, I saw some clips of what local people had been doing to support each other around the block and ended up with tears in my eyes at work. So, with a colleague who is also having a hard time, we nipped outside for a cig, with a good shot of whiskey in the coffee cups. 30 seconds later, a passing bird did a mega, liquid shit on my bald head. Cue tension relieving guffaws of laughter.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Is there no depths to which those cunts will not stoop to sell papers
None.
The despicable Daily Mail has named the man whose fridge apparently caught fire, and printed his details, along with photos of him.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
That behaviour by Sun hacks comes as no shock to those who know how the billionaire press behaved in Manchester recently.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
I sometimes think modern politics is driven by a desire to abdicate responsibility for as much as possible - sell it off, set up quangos to run things, such that all government has to do is turn up occasionally to debate which of the sponsor's colour schemes is suitable for the new royal yacht. These things used to be ours, but we don't have a say in them anymore, other than getting fucked about between different energy providers etc. That's not power, it's inconvenience.
Such arrangements also create a firewall between local/national government and the results of their policies and funding, allowing the finger of blame to be pointed at a tier lower down from the real power.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Was just about to point that out, how relatives of victims were getting bombarded by Facebook friend requests etc. Vermin.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
another illusion ruined
i've always pictured you as similar to mr lucas out of are you being served
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
tbf I half expected them to invent a crack den or meth-lab fire...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
let's dump them in the mariana trench and find outIs there no depths to which those cunts will not stoop to sell papers
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Cannabis farms have caused quite a few house fires. I hope there isn't some illicit cause behind it as it would be used to direct blame and attention away from all the other failings. The cause of the fire is almost irrelevant, it's the failure of structural control mechanisms and the lack of political will to provide sprinklers and safe means of escape that need the most attention.
I saw that in the Metro this morning too
binka
!!!!!!!!!
What the survivors and local residents think about this I don't know but a charity single just doesn't seem at all appropriate in these circumstances imo. Certainly not by someone with no apparent connection to those affected.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Residents furious as it emerges fire-resistant cladding for Grenfell Tower would have cost just £5,000
the tories like experts when it suits them i see
EastEnder
Brixton Barnacle
As if the poor sod isn't feeling shitty enough already...
That's the sort of coverage that could drive someone to suicide...
Treacle Toes
Time
Similar threads
- Poll
