Grenfell Tower fire in North Kensington - news and discussion

[UrbaneFox]

Something is in the air.

When the numbers of the dead people inside the building start start coming out it will get hotter and hotter.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Demonstrate: Justice for Grenfell

Friday 16 June 6pm
Department for Communities and Local Government
2 Marsham Street, SW1P 4DF

 

[YouSir]

Demonstrate: Justice for Grenfell

Friday 16 June 6pm
Department for Communities and Local Government
2 Marsham Street, SW1P 4DF

 

[komodo]

The lawyer on Newsnight earlier, who had represented the families at the inquest into the Southwark tier block fire, was totally damning (and suspicious about) May's speedy announcement of a public enquiry. She said there can only be one or another, and only inquest allows a proper examinations for what's gone on...

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

 

[DaveCinzano]

Don't think anyone's posted this yet?

London fire: 'The working class aren't being listened to' - BBC News

 

[DaveCinzano]

BTW Nick Fagge, the Mail journalist who did the dog-whistle-and-hatchet job on the Grenfell Tower resident, was previously at the Express, where he was involved in Madeleine McCann stories, to the point that he was summoned to the Leveson Inquiry.

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[treelover]

people carrying drones ?

""I fear for this summer- I think there will be blood on the streets and mass disorder- srsly, this will boil over - it will take months to sort the biulding and ID the dead- this will be like a hge gangrenous thumb on the horizon for so many people""

got that feeling as well

Who will they attack, the police, the emergency services, local shops?, riots don't often affect the powers that have caused the greivances.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Who will they attack, the police, the emergency services, local shops?, riots don't often affect the powers that have caused the greivances.

I suspect many lessons of 2011 have been learned. I don't know what that means for the future tho.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

The Guardian view on Grenfell Tower: Theresa May’s Hurricane Katrina | Editorial

 

[Dogsauce]

Note on that image from the front of the Mirror that the insulation material is missing from a vertically ribbed concrete section, which might back up theories that this formed an air gap for the fire to spread.

Not particularly keen on the sub-heading on that page reinforcing the trope that council housing is only for 'the poorest' - it was once much more universal than that, and still is to a limited extent.

 

[Nylock]

you need to need to be very careful less people think you're a cunt

Too late.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Worth reading

 

[Sprocket.]

The repair or Windsor castle cost £67 million in today's terms. How many houses could you build to rehome the surviving families with that and the amount it is going to cost to refit buck house.
You would never think we are all in it together would you?

 

[phillm]

Some guy on LBC a min ago was like what if we all dont pay our rent to the council , got shot down but I thought what a great idea , mass squatting FTW , that may tellem

Won't Pay , Won't Pay.

 

[1927]

Amazing it has not fell in on its own footprint.

That only happens in controlled demolition.

 

[Red Cat]

I said it's important people have time and space now. Counselling would be a very bad idea for the reasons I mentioned. Talking to people, humanity and care, absolutely needed. I have been involved in offering NHS emergency mental health support in previous major incidents, I do honestly know what I'm talking about here.

Yes, People do have their own emotional resources, its important they can use and develop them. Although I work in the mental health field, I hate this idea that help always has to be an 'intervention' from the outside, from professionals.

 

[J Ed]

The repair or Windsor castle cost £67 million in today's terms. How many houses could you build to rehome the surviving families with that and the amount it is going to cost to refit buck house.
You would never think we are all in it together would you?

Plenty of room in Windsor Castle as well.

 

[mojo pixy]

Amazing it has not fell in on its own footprint.

Why, was the fire caused by an aircraft crashing into the building?

 

[existentialist]

Who will they attack, the police, the emergency services, local shops?, riots don't often affect the powers that have caused the greivances.

Considering how often we see you laying the guilt trip on others to Do Something, your sudden cautiousness at the prospect of spontaneous actions by the people rings slightly hollow...

 

[planetgeli]

"Your gut tells you it's not right to wrap a building in plastic."

Experts warned government against cladding material used on Grenfell

Material used 'illegal in U.S'.

Anger grows over tower fire amid claims cladding was unsafe

 

[Dogsauce]

The papers are running with their own agendas on this - the scum pointing out how Mayor Khan and Jon Snow were heckled (because they're bad lefties) and the Mail blaming 'green targets'. Pathetic.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Blimey, there's still fires breaking out in the block!

On a positive note, our charity quiz tonight has switched to supporting the victims here, having promised our chosen charity this month that they will benefit from our July one instead.

The numbers booked have gone from the usual 30+ to over 70 so far, the venue that normally takes £5 out of the £10 entry fee for the buffet is donating their share this time. We normally raffle a bottle of wine & make around an extra £100 on that, instead we are having a auction tonight.

A few of us have hit the phones, we have over £2500 worth of stuff donated so far, event tickets/meals out/beauty treatments/free MOT & service/6-months free gym membership, etc., etc - and still expecting more in the next couple hours.

We normally raise around £250, but because of the auction & the landlord throwing in a little extra in to round the figure up - we hit exactly £3,500!

 

[Edie]

Best place to donate so the money goes directly, in their hands, to the tenants please? Ta.

 

[brogdale]

"Your gut tells you it's not right to wrap a building in plastic."

Yep, unless you're one of 3 successive vermin housing ministers who have been influenced by industry lobbyists to block the review building regulations related to fire safety following Lakanal.

Hopkins, Lewis & Barwell.

Guilty men.

eta: not forgetting the malign role of Pickles.

 

[bi0boy]

Best place to donate so the money goes directly, in their hands, to the tenants please? Ta.

I saw this one this morning which seems ok, but who knows: just giving

 

[SE25]

The more that comes out about this the angrier I and I'm sure every other Londoner get. Beyond words.

Feel so sorry for the poor people in that block.

 

[Plumdaff]

It's not just London. London is the epicentre of the housing crisis, and of course it happened in your city, but the same problems and inequalities are playing out across the UK. People know it stinks.

 

[SE25]

It's not just London. London is the epicentre of the housing crisis, and of course it happened in your city, but the same problems and inequalities are playing out across the UK. People know it stinks.

of course, it just hits home. How many council blocks could this have happened to in our country?