Grenfell Tower fire in North Kensington - news and discussion

[Treacle Toes]

 

[major major]

David Lammy going in hard. Interestingly, he mentions the issue of the cladding and the appearance of the building when viewed from the rich areas. Without wanting to kick the whole thing off again, the issue is the plausibility of the idea that the appearance of the cladding was given undue weighting (given what we know about the way central and local government treats social housing).
This was a monstrous crime – there must be arrests after Grenfell Tower | David Lammy

I saw Corbyn as doing no more than use the situation to his own advantage, as if his party had nothing to do with this tragedy, when the reality is they're as guilty as sin, Take note tory basher Lilly Allen.
I saw the Tory k&c council leader on TV tonight pretty much denying any responsibility, he hasn't got a clue how can someone like this exist in todays world.
These poor tower block survivors should all be put up in the best local 4 star hotels, the flats must all have been insured - relying on good hearted locals is disgusting behaviour by the local authorities.
This is the worst disaster since the Falklands. Possible deathrate of 140 is not a minor local issue.

 

[agricola]

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Sorry, what?

"The Prime Minister is understood to have wept on the day of the fire but did so at Downing Street. She shed tears after being praised by No.10 staff for a short speech of thanks on Wednesday."

 

[Cid]

Guy called Ishmahil Blagrove apparently, here's a Jon Snow interview with him and another housing activist.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Sorry, what?

"The Prime Minister is understood to have wept on the day of the fire but did so at Downing Street. She shed tears after being praised by No.10 staff for a short speech of thanks on Wednesday."

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[spitfire]

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yeah. i've nothing better to add. they need a fucking slap.

with a hammer

 

[teuchter]

Pretty damning article.



Experts warned government against cladding material used on Grenfell

It's not an article that seems to fully grasp the technical issues it's attempting to address. If you actually click through and read the BRE papers that it refers to, there has been some rather selective quoting and they don't really accurately reflect their scope or conclusions. They also seem to commit the common error of confusing the roles of planning building control.

 

[spitfire]

It's not an article that seems to fully grasp the technical issues it's attempting to address. If you actually click through and read the BRE papers that it refers to, there has been some rather selective quoting and they don't really accurately reflect their scope or conclusions. They also seem to commit the common error of confusing the roles of planning building control.

Shush.

 

[not-bono-ever]

^^^that is rage. again. I think I have fuecked me keyboard. erk

 

[Treacle Toes]

Guy called Ishmahil Blagrove apparently, here's a Jon Snow interview with him and another housing activist.

Yep, that's him.

 

[spitfire]

^^^that is rage. again. I think I have fuecked me keyboard. erk

I was typing something and you posted that which was better than anything I had.

 

[not-bono-ever]

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^^^that is rage. again. I think I have fuecked me keyboard. erk

 

[agricola]

^^^that is rage. again. I think I have fuecked me keyboard. erk

TBH I thought you were simulating an unexpected event occurring in the Maybot's code.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

If only she would shed that human skin and you saw her in her lizard glory you might say something different

I expect the lizards would vehemently deny any connection to her.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Jeremy Hunt says he will consider pay rises for nurses in wake of UK terrorist attacks.

But announces it after the fire which has highlighted poverty and inequality.

The timing is suspiscious. I think they are worried about a swell in anger and a coming hot weekend.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I wonder if the high-horse obfuscators who say we shouldn't politicise this have noticed that it's deeply political. I also wonder if they have shared their fascinating insights with survivors and residents, and what the response was if so.

 

[ferrelhadley]

I think they are worried about a swell in anger and a coming hot weekend.

Something is in the air.

 

[8den]

 

[JTG]

I wonder if the high-horse obfuscators who say we shouldn't politicise this have noticed that it's deeply political. I also wonder if they have shared their fascinating insights with survivors and residents, and what the response was if so.

My twitter (used for football really so a spread of political views) has a small number of Tory leaning people using that line - "petty political point scoring" apparently.
Everyone else - Labour, Lib Dem, anarcho, whatever - is absolutely spitting about all of this. The ones who are fairly quiet about their views usually are demanding May's head, the ones who are louder have gone absolutely berserk.

 

[Wilf]

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[YouSir]

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Click on the date/time and you can see the whole thread. Not that worthwhile though.

 

[Wilf]

Click on the date/time and you can see the whole thread. Not that worthwhile though.

ta.

 

[not-bono-ever]

the notting hill carnival will be a flash point i think - sold by the regime as a time for consideration and respect for the dead appeals for calm/ community leader and that guff- i think it could easily, easily explode.

 

[Cid]

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Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23
I promise I'll stop talking about this soon. But. I was taking the Tube home today, 4pm. H&C Line from Barbican to Shepherd's Bush Market.

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      Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
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      I was in my own self-involved little world, listening to music etc. It was busy, but at Edgware Rd, I start to notice the train going quiet.
      
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      Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
      Not the usual London quiet, of looking at phones and pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist. A new quiet. Sort of uneasy.
      
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      Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
      At Paddington a man on the platform side starts to crane his neck at the window. And I realise. We're going past it.
      
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      Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
      Royal Oak. I saw it slightly close up yesterday when I donated at the church, but it was still far away. I didn't have to see it up close.
      
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      Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
      Westbourne Park. People are looking out the window and I'm not ready for to look at it. I'm not ready for the sadness to hit me again.
      
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      Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
      Ladbroke Grove. I actually consider getting off and walking so I don't have to be here. It's so quiet on the Tube. It's never this quiet.
      
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      Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
      Latimer Road. The train stops and no-one says anything. Eyes on the window. It's not actually visible at the station. We have to wait.
      
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      Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
      The train moves and there it is. Smoldering. Black. Gutted. I feel sick. A woman sitting opposite me shakes her head. Just shock all around.
      
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       Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
       I've been on the Underground after tragedies before. After 7/7 there was fear but it was combatted with pride, resilience, togetherness.
       
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       Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
       This isn't that. This is horror. This is shame. That black husk is a monument to our apathy to inequality, our othering of poor people.
       
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       Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
       Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Maybe I chose not to hear other commuters. Maybe it was way louder than I remember.
       
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       Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
       But from my incredibly narrow perspective, London feels like a different place since yesterday. It feels shellshocked. It feels angry.
       
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       Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
       It feels like "Keep Calm And Carry On", the stiff upper lip that ignores human suffering in favour of self preservation, is dead.
       
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       Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
       London is filled with incredible people - the Muslim boys who raised the alarm, who saved lives, the firemen, the volunteers, the nurses.
       
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       Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
       But it is also shoddy, venal, hateful, profiteering and unjust. It is built on suffering. It has to change. Its people have to change it.
       
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       Jack Bernhardt‏ @jackbern23 3h3 hours ago
       I needed to see Grenfell again. Let it stand as a monument to the mistakes this city has made. Let us look at it and say never again. /end
       
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Some media type passes building on the tube, feels upset. It's not worth your time, key quote;

"This isn't that. This is horror. This is shame. That black husk is a monument to our apathy to inequality, our othering of poor people."

 

[YouSir]

Some media type passes building on the tube, feels upset. It's not worth your time, key quote;

"This isn't that. This is horror. This is shame. That black husk is a monument to our apathy to inequality, our othering of poor people."

Ironic really, even in a moment of 'revelation' it's still our apathy to them. And not a word said about the huge number of people who've been against austerity and inequality for years/their entire lives.

 

[YouSir]

the notting hill carnival will be a flash point i think - sold by the regime as a time for consideration and respect for the dead appeals for calm/ community leader and that guff- i think it could easily, easily explode.

Every year there's talk of limiting/cancelling Carnival for security reasons, either due to what happens or possible threats. Don't think they'd do it, but still, wouldn't be surprised to see the chatter ratcheted up this year. A shame, my favourite time of the year.

 

[treelover]

Poor people, ordinary people, have no voice and no influence. They raise the alarm and get ignored because they aren't considered worth the effort, they complain and get threatened with legal action against them and all the while greed continually degrades life.

yes, you are right, and disabled and sick people are right at the bottom of the pile, a number whom may have lost their lives in this awful event.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Grrr. its obviously Stoli time (again ) and I have school tomorrow

 

[spitfire]

Grrr. its obviously Stoli time (again ) and I have school tomorrow

I started absolut time earlier to avoid this problem. absolut time = stoli time. bed now.

Nothing further can be achieved tonight.

 

[treelover]

They ignored this just like they ignored the disgraceful treatment of disabled and unemployed.

Who did?