Grenfell Tower fire in North Kensington - news and discussion

[mather]

I'm wanna buy some food n supplies tomorrow to donate to help people out. Where/who would I give it to?

 

[Who PhD]

Apparently outside one of the mosques wherein people were doing positive stuff that actually helps, Paul Golding from Britain First (aka Britain's Worst) was calling them muslim terrorists.

What a massive cunt

 

[hash tag]

I was teaching a health and safety course today and the first trainee that came in was a guy I know who is a fire expert. We talked about the fire and he agreed heads will have to roll and people must go to gaol. We agreed in one important point tho, in our opinion the building regs are a red herring. It doesn't matter what the standards were at the time the building was constructed . The Fire regs state that you must have suitable and sufficient fire preventative measures in place. There is no get out clause for old buildings.

You really don't believe people will go to jail for this? As is the way of the world these days in certain circles, there will be endless buckpassing/lack of accountability and one or two people will be allowed to quietly retire.
Without for one minute wishing to speculate on cause or second guessing the public enquiry people will say that this department was 10% responsible because of this, that company was 20% responsible because of something, someone else had a hand in it. We can all feel where we know and want the to buck to stop, but bet you what, it wont get there. It wont be current PM because she was not PM who instigated the cuts (which were not directly responsible) and she will be gone by then. Johnson for chopping the fire brigade, I doubt it. Local council because of what ever. It doesn't ever happen like that, however much you and I would want it to

 

[scifisam]

I'm wanna buy some food n supplies tomorrow to donate to help people out. Where/who would I give it to?

The charities in the area are overwhelmed with donations of stuff right now, but you could donate to one of the campaigns instead.

 

[hash tag]

I'm wanna buy some food n supplies tomorrow to donate to help people out. Where/who would I give it to?

I believe there are numerous places to take stuff to, that they are snowed under with donations and that they are desperately trying to coordinate everything to avoid duplication of resources Etc. If you can find a group that you can donate cash to, that might be a better idea, trouble is, which one.

 

[mauvais]

I'm wanna buy some food n supplies tomorrow to donate to help people out. Where/who would I give it to?

From what I've been reading today, they have an oversupply of both materials and volunteers right now. Possibly money too, in the short term. They're apparently lacking warehousing, accommodation and specialist counsellors. No doubt the situation remains fluid but no doubt it would be worth trying to respond to dynamic needs as requested by people on the ground, rather than contributing something unsolicited in the hope it might be useful, IYSWIM.

 

[agricola]

they've already taken legal aid away, how could their manifesto propose worse?

They were proposing bringing in an "independent public advocate" in order to support victims and their families after a disaster. This would have been independent in the sense of the word that they would have been appointed by the Government, who were probably the people at fault anyway.

 

[mather]

Apparently outside one of the mosques wherein people were doing positive stuff that actually helps, Paul Golding from Britain First (aka Britain's Worst) was calling them muslim terrorists.

What a massive cunt

I saw that on Twitter, Golding is a fucking cunt! A few people were standing up to him but it was all rather restrained, if it had been me I'd have just punched the cunt. I mean of all the fucking days to stir shit up this ain't it when people are grieving.

 

[scifisam]

Amber Rudd: Amber Rudd: Now we see London show its grit, compassion and tolerance

"But at this early stage, with firefighters still picking their way through the debris, I would urge everyone not to rush to judgement. If there are lessons to be learned we will learn them."

STOP SAYING "IF" YOU DISGUSTING EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN

 

[Plumdaff]

Adele was there early apparently, for some reason or other.

She lives locally and wants to show support with her community. Nothing wrong with that, she didn't publicise her visit or anything.

eta = re counselling, there's good evidence that intervening too soon after trauma can interfere with processing and store up problems for the future. It's important people have time and space now, and time to fight to make sure those who need it receive the best care in due course.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

FFS and pardon language but I just read that that fucking bitch had the nerve to trot out the "lessons will be learned" cliche. Possibly 150+ dead people and "lessons will be learned". I'm pretty much a pacifist, but if I met her at the moment I wouldn't want to say anything. I would punch her full on in the face. That's a bad thing to say and think I know, but she is so repugnant.

 

[Buckaroo]

Anger is building.

 

[Dr. Furface]

I'm wanna buy some food n supplies tomorrow to donate to help people out. Where/who would I give it to?

As others have said, they've been inundated with donations and don't need any more at the moment. There was a guy on the radio this morning saying that what they really needed was cardboard boxes to put stuff they've received into a storage facility out near Heathrow - however that was hours ago so I don't know if they've got all the boxes they need by now.

 

[phillm]

In regards to the insultingly useless response of May to such a horror and death toll, who else is reminded of Bush/Katrina?

Bush could though crudely attempt a grotesque parody of a human being unlike the utterly friendless May - a person more uncomfortable in their skin and life it would be hard to find.

 

[Wilf]

Labour bods really getting it now live on air as they were around when lots of these building reg decisions were made
Now Lilly slag Allen is on aptly lives local , blaming everything on the Tories , always a agenda with her
A few minutes before she turned up she would have heard the Labour officials going through the mill
she will have to be very careful re Libel

fuck off

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Anger is building.

2011 2.0?

 

[Cid]

Amber Rudd: Amber Rudd: Now we see London show its grit, compassion and tolerance

"But at this early stage, with firefighters still picking their way through the debris, I would urge everyone not to rush to judgement. If there are lessons to be learned we will learn them."

STOP SAYING "IF" YOU DISGUSTING EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN

What the fuck? Oh yeah, it may just be a perfectly normal offshoot of the construction industry. No-one's fault at all. Fucking hell.

 

[J Ed]

As others have said, they've been inundated with donations and don't need any more at the moment. There was a guy on the radio this morning saying that what they really needed was cardboard boxes to put stuff they've received into a storage facility out near Heathrow - however that was hours ago so I don't know if they've got all the boxes they need by now.

The solidarity of the British public has been amazing in the past few days.

 

[YouSir]

2011 2.0?

Protest planned for tomorrow, will be interesting.

 

[stethoscope]

May didn't even have the fucking decency to meet any residents or volunteers, did an private visit with officials and some firefighters. Even the Mail and Express have been critical. Corbyn talking about practical support and offering sympathy to those affected. This has become the overriding image from today...

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Now Lilly slag Allen is on aptly lives local...l

If I felt sexually inadequate I doubt I'd go letting a message board know about it.

 

[bimble]

That piece of shit article by Rudd says the relief efforts of Londoners have been led by the mayor. Mindboggling idiocy to even think of saying that.
"who has led the heart-warming response we have seen in the city'

 

[phillm]

May didn't even have the fucking decency to meet any residents or volunteers, did an private visit with officials and some firefighters. Even the Mail and Express have been critical. Corbyn talking about practical support and offering sympathy to those affected. This has become the overriding image from today...

Cometh the hour cometh the man.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Daily Mail has published pictures and name of the man whose flat the fire is rumoured to have started in.


Ipso link here - Complaints form

 

[agricola]

2011 2.0?

It might, but it shouldn't. After all it isn't KCTMO or the people responsible for social housing policy (and who appear to have ignored clear warning signs in the process) these last forty years who would be affected.

 

[J Ed]

Daily Mail has published pictures and name of the man whose flat the fire is rumoured to have started in.


Ipso link here - Complaints form

Christ these people really are fucking parasites.

 

[mauvais]

She lives locally and wants to show support with her community. Nothing wrong with that, she didn't publicise her visit or anything.

eta = re counselling, there's good evidence that intervening too soon after trauma can interfere with processing and store up problems for the future. It's important people have time and space now, and time to fight to make sure those who need it receive the best care in due course.

Some services like CBT for PTSD, trauma and so on will only be relevant much later down the line, for this reason, but that doesn't mean access to care, support and counselling is to be omitted altogether now.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Christ these people really are fucking parasites.

Some 18 hours ago it was a skinny white guy in one article from the bastards, they've changed there minds now and tweeted a shot of a black guy sipping a pint saying it was him.

The Scum is now saying he's a bastard for knocking at his neighbours door with a sack of his clothing and telling them theres a fire.

Parasites is not a strong enough term for these fucking arseholes. Absolute cunts the lot of them.

 

[Plumdaff]

Some services like CBT for PTSD, trauma and so on will only be relevant much later down the line, for this reason, but that doesn't mean access to care, support and counselling is to be omitted altogether now.

I said it's important people have time and space now. Counselling would be a very bad idea for the reasons I mentioned. Talking to people, humanity and care, absolutely needed. I have been involved in offering NHS emergency mental health support in previous major incidents, I do honestly know what I'm talking about here.

 

[Pickman's model]

Bush could though crudely attempt a grotesque parody of a human being unlike the utterly friendless May - a person more uncomfortable in their skin and life it would be hard to find.

If only she would shed that human skin and you saw her in her lizard glory you might say something different