Grenfell Tower fire in North Kensington - news and discussion

[ruffneck23]

He had absolutely fuck all of practical worth to say from what I've seen.

I'm not entirely sure he had much to do with it
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[Bernie Gunther]

There's some stuff blaming a black guy for having a dodgy fridge already.

I predict full-on Hillsbourough style victim blaming within days.

 

[Dogsauce]

How long before before serious victim blaming begins, or some fabricated allegation of deliberate fire raising sabotage to save political necks gets underway? The anger needs a channel to put these deregulating privatising gangster fuckers on their backs.

Fuckwits on Twitter/Facebook are already doing it.

 

[hash tag]

It is very difficult knowing what to say at a time like this as everyone wants answers. Now, and we all know that will not happen, the fires are not even out yet, nor have all the bodies been recovered for goodness sake. They can't even begin to establish the causes and catalysts until this has been done and that they can be sure the building is safe to enter. Only then can the investigations begin. But at least Khan stood there, faced the people and took some flack. May?

 

[ruffneck23]

I'm not entirely sure he had much to do with it
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As much as I don't like to quote myself but this comment from the Indy is spot on

'As Mr Khan urged that checks must be undertaken on all apartment blocks, another resident shouted: “Jeremy Corbyn’s been saying that for ages. Why didn’t you support him Mr Khan? Why didn’t you support Mr Corbyn Mr Khan?” '

 

[redcogs]

There's some stuff blaming a black guy for having a dodgy fridge already.

I predict full-on Hillsbourough style victim blaming within days.

Lets hope such voices can be drowned out..

 

[1927]

So, Pickman's model has a problem with planning legislation being set up to protect people from adverse effects of development near their homes.

I think you miss the point! This was not a new development, it had been there since 1974!

 

[teqniq]

Police open criminal investigation into Grenfell Tower fire

Police have opened a criminal investigation into the fire at Grenfell Tower that could result in the prosecution of anyone deemed responsible for building or any design failures that caused the blaze.....

 

[1927]

Having read the full report and relevant local policies, are you of the opinion that the application should have been refused and if so why?

Which application?

 

[Buckaroo]

The fire isn't out, it's just getting started, fuelled by "National shame".

 

[scifisam]

I think you miss the point! This was not a new development, it had been there since 1974!

It's a change, though, isn't it? I just don't get why it's such a bad thing to consider how something looks as well as the need for improved insulation. There are much better things to be annoyed about here.

The conservation area isn't a new development, btw, but a protected area of older buildings.

 

[1927]

You want the specific planning policy that says planning assessments must consider the impact of development on views from conservation areas? The one that planning officers are obliged to follow when assessing any application in the borough?

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Why is this relevant? It wasn't a new development!

 

[editor]

I see Corbyn and Labour are now coming out and saying empty homes in the area should be requistioned!

Good on 'em.

The difference between May and Corbyn on this disaster could not be more different

Fucking YES. Proper leadership.

 

[1927]

Obviously things were crap under Blair but the savage cuts to local authorities are a recent thing. The housing crisis has deepened and worsened significantly.

But the fire regs under Blair are the same as now! No one has ripped out fire prevention measures. They were safe yesterday as they were 12 years ago.

 

[A380]

Lilly Allen on Channel 4 news now. Doing a fantastic job.

 

[EastEnder]

He had absolutely fuck all of practical worth to say from what I've seen.

It was a pretty shoddy performance. He might as well have just said "I know nothing, can do fuck all, but I'm here to maintain appearances". You'd have thought a decent politician could at least have done a better job of pretending they're there as more than merely a box ticking exercise.

 

[ruffneck23]

Yes proper leadership bring it on !

 

[1927]

Building materials do go through certification testing, and in theory, anyone specifying any critical material should check that the claims are supported by a valid certificate. In practice, of course, there are thousands of different product used in any project, and no architect or contractor calls up every single manufacturer, asks for their certificates and cross-checks them with the certifying authorities.

In reality, the system tends to rely on suppliers and others carrying out these checks. If I'm a builder then it's reasonable for me to assume that if Travis Perkins sells me something, I can trust that the relevant checks have been done. If big contractor goes to an unknown chinese manufacturer though, then most would say it would be their responsibility to check that claims were backed up by proper testing.

Wrong! It IS your responsibility as a contractor/specifier!

 

[Buckaroo]

Fair fucks to Lily Allen.

 

[billbond]

Labour bods really getting it now live on air as they were around when lots of these building reg decisions were made
Now Lilly slag Allen is on aptly lives local , blaming everything on the Tories , always a agenda with her
A few minutes before she turned up she would have heard the Labour officials going through the mill
she will have to be very careful re Libel

 

[electroplated]

Lilly Allen on Channel 4 news now. Doing a fantastic job.

Yep. Just caught the last minute of her, querying why the media are downplaying the number of deaths and quoting much higher unofficial figures - first time I've seen anything on that front on TV coverage.

 

[stethoscope]

It was a pretty shoddy performance. He might as well have just said "I know nothing, can do fuck all, but I'm here to maintain appearances". You'd have thought a decent politician could at least have done a better job of pretending they're there as more than merely a box ticking exercise.

You'd think a £143,000 a year mayor could actually mobilise something with the government and council a bit better than this rather than platitudes.

 

[bimble]

Now Lilly slag Allen is on

fuck off.

 

[Lord Camomile]

As much as these things make any difference, but surely there's got to be a petition about that? Make it a visible and talked about issue, and show that it's not just the residents that care about it but the general populace too. I'm sure it'd get a hell of a lotta signatures.

For what it's worth, there's this one.

I'm looking for a commitment from government that the same number of like for like, social homes will be provided within the Kensington borough, within a reasonable timescale and all peoples affected by the Grenfell Tower inferno will be given assurances that they will be re-homed back within the community they came from.

 

[billbond]

Fair fucks to Lily Allen.

As if she cares
Prob got a new album out, looking for publicity, now off to her gated mansion

 

[ruffneck23]

Labour bods really getting it now live on air as they were around when lots of these building reg decisions were made
Now Lilly slag Allen is on aptly lives local , blaming everything on the Tories , always a agenda with her
A few minutes before she turned up she would have heard the Labour officials going through the mill
she will have to be very careful re Libel

you need to need to be very careful less people think you're a cunt

 

[bi0boy]

Lilly Allen on Channel 4 news now. Doing a fantastic job.

Adele was there early apparently, for some reason or other.

 

[Buckaroo]

Labour bods really getting it now live on air as they were around when lots of these building reg decisions were made
Now Lilly slag Allen is on aptly lives local , blaming everything on the Tories , always a agenda with her
A few minutes before she turned up she would have heard the Labour officials going through the mill
she will have to be very careful re Libel

Fuck off you slag.

 

[stethoscope]

Now Lilly slag Allen is on aptly lives local , blaming everything on the Tories , always a agenda with her
A few minutes before she turned up she would have heard the Labour officials going through the mill
she will have to be very careful re Libel

Wtf is this?

 

[billbond]

fuck off.

Intelligent, Typical