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Greek Parliamentary Election

London_Calling said:
FFS, get a grip.
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I'll need nurse's help for that.

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Somebody has pointed on Twitter that New Democracy, PASOK and Democratic Left actually have a majority between them, so why are they so keen on courting SYRIZA?

It looks like they are trying to set them up for a fall so that they can point the blame if negotiations collapse
 
Divisive Cotton said:
Somebody has pointed on Twitter that New Democracy, PASOK and Democratic Left actually have a majority between them, so why are they so keen on courting SYRIZA?

It looks like they are trying to set them up for a fall so that they can point the blame if negotiations collapse
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I think Democratic Left are insisting the coalition would have to include SYRIZA because they came second.

SYRIZA seem to be having none of anything. Hoping for new elections it would seem.
 
yeah i know they're doing it for their own reasons, but they're behaving better than i expected them to, i expected them to try to form a government and end up doing so with PASOK and then to sell out and start doing the cuts etc once they did so - they still might though tbf. im always a bit cautious with stuff like that tho.
 
All the people on here offering advice - what are your short, medium and long term aims? How do they match up to the short term aims of parties that you're talking about?
 
Just read thru the thread and couldn't help noticing that the actual vote the neo nazis (Golden Dawn) got in Greece hasn't been mentioned. As a statistic it doesn't seem much but as a figure, half a million votes, it sounds more chilling, especially if you compare it to the total population of Greece which stands at something just over 10 and a half million people.

Add to this another disturbing ingredient, namely a large vote for a sectarian stalinist party and you have a recipe for the rerun of a disaster. If the stalinist party has influence then they will split the left, right at a critical moment, as they did in the 30's in germany. I believe Stalin was mainly responsible for Hitler coming to power.

I can't believe half a million have voted for an openly fascist and violent organization. They even have a fucking swasi style emblem ffs. I mean, the BNP in their suited phase start to look like a church group compared to this lot in Greece.

I suppose everyone has already seen the video where a thug ordered the journalists to stand up out of respect for the leader as he entered the press conference.

Anyone have the latest on antifascist prospects in Greece? I wanna hear some good news.
 
Anudder Oik said:
Just read thru the thread and couldn't help noticing that the actual vote the neo nazis (Golden Dawn) got in Greece hasn't been mentioned. As a statistic it doesn't seem much but as a figure, half a million votes, it sounds more chilling, especially if you compare it to the total population of Greece which stands at something just over 10 and a half million people.
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It has been mentioned. You didn't mention it, so I will (again): 7%

Comparing total votes to total population (a quarter of whom cannot vote) doesn't tell you anything more (actually rather less) than the % who actually voted for them. You're not saying anything more exciting than that 1% of the population in China is more than 1% of the population in Lichtenstein.

7% of Greeks voted fash. Very concerning, not an electoral threat, could get nasty if things explode.
 
ymu said:
It has been mentioned. You didn't mention it, so I will (again): 7%

Comparing total votes to total population (a quarter of whom cannot vote) doesn't tell you anything more (actually rather less) than the % who actually voted for them. You're not saying anything more exciting than that 1% of the population in China is more than 1% of the population in Lichtenstein.

7% of Greeks voted fash. Very concerning, not an electoral threat, could get nasty if things explode.
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For an openly neo-Nazi party to get 7% of the vote (they're linked to American National Alliance neo-nazis) takes some skill, especially in greece of all places. From what I can gather about Golden Dawn they're really disciplined (watch the video of the disrupted dictionary launch, if you can) and don't seem to have had many splits. They got their votes through, among other things, doing things like doing the shopping for old people and "protecting" people from looters etc - and im prepared to believe that in some cases they have helped people. For them of course it's a strategy to get votes but getting stuck in to this kind of community stuff is something that they have done quite well.

What's interesting is that a lot of the voters and supporters of the party when interviewed included people like maths professors and teachers who were anxious to distance themselves from the "uneducated" image.
 
ymu said:
It has been mentioned. You didn't mention it, so I will (again): 7%

Comparing total votes to total population (a quarter of whom cannot vote) doesn't tell you anything more (actually rather less) than the % who actually voted for them. You're not saying anything more exciting than that 1% of the population in China is more than 1% of the population in Lichtenstein.

7% of Greeks voted fash. Very concerning, not an electoral threat, could get nasty if things explode.
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The equivelant electoral result in Britain would be something like 3 million votes for the national front. I think the potential for trouble is not something that can be comfortably reduced with a number 7 followed by a % symbol. This isn't looking healthy.
 
Don't forget that the majority of people DIDN'T vote for these fash. There was a good piece in the guardian the other day (yeah, i know) about the danger of equating the opposition and vote against austerity with golden dawn and the idea that the two are "equally bad". not something anyone here needs to know but just in general.
 
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