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Looking at the english-speaking media in the runup to this election it was rather hard to miss the staggering amount of fear being employed to try to reduce the Syriza vote. Safe to assume it was the same within the Greek media, or was it a little more nuanced there?

I would imagine Syriza might not be unhappy to have a coalition partner which can provide an excuse for not taking quite the level of dramatic action in regards the bailout that Syriza rhetoric suggested they would take.

What are the chances of the results not being conducive to a government of any sort being formed?
 
elbows said:
Looking at the english-speaking media in the runup to this election it was rather hard to miss the staggering amount of fear being employed to try to reduce the Syriza vote. Safe to assume it was the same within the Greek media, or was it a little more nuanced there?

I would imagine Syriza might not be unhappy to have a coalition partner which can provide an excuse for not taking quite the level of dramatic action in regards the bailout that Syriza rhetoric suggested they would take.

What are the chances of the results not being conducive to a government of any sort being formed?
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Pretty good i would say.
 
articul8 said:
Syriza is not a monolith (it's pluralist :p) Lapavitas is Syriza but wants out of EU too
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Yeah but in practice what's likely to happen if Syriza get in is they'll pull off a deal with the democratic left, who'll refuse to let them unilaterally walk out of the bailout deal, so austerity will just get rebranded. Syriza talk a good game but they're in such a weak position that they can't demand anything of Germany.
 
Remains to be seen. A danger that the leadership will go down the "negotiation/soften the terms route". But that's not what all/most Syriza voters are backing
 
Delroy Booth said:
Yeah but in practice what's likely to happen if Syriza get in is they'll pull off a deal with the democratic left, who'll refuse to let them unilaterally walk out of the bailout deal, so austerity will just get rebranded. Syriza talk a good game but they're in such a weak position that they can't demand anything of Germany.
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Who are this democratic left you keep mentioning?
 
PASOK will attempt to kill Syriza being refusing to be a in coalition with ND unless Syriza involved. Syriza will say go away. New elections.
 
A good result would be anything that doesn't allow a stable pro-austerity bloc, either ND, or ND+PASOK or ND+GD or whatever.
 
butchersapron said:
So how are they going to get in a coalition with them?
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By saying they'll only go into a coalition with Syriza if they agree not to rip up the memorandum, which gives Syriza leadership a get-out clause for not ripping up the memorandum, which would almost certainly lead to Greece leaving the euro.
 
Delroy Booth said:
By saying they'll only go into a coalition with Syriza if they agree not to rip up the memorandum, which gives Syriza leadership a get-out clause for not ripping up the memorandum, which would almost certainly lead to Greece leaving the euro.
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No, i mean how the hell can they form a coalition - not what their demands are. They simply do not have enough support no matter what.
 
Syriza bit like hitler's nazis in the late 20s/early 30s elections:

Whatever happens, the success of the Syriza coalition is without doubt. The party won just 4.6% of the vote in 2009, when Pasok got 43.9% and New Democracy 33.5%.

In May, Syriza it got just under 17% and now exit polls suggesting it's on course for between 27.5% and 30.5%.
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butchersapron said:
No, i mean how the hell can they form a coalition - not what their demands are. They simply do not have enough support no matter what.
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well that's what it's looking like now, mainly because Democratic Left have polled badly, and Syriza probably won't get the victory and the 50 seat bonus. Most likley result at this stage is Pasok and New Democracy form a govt.
 
Delroy Booth said:
well that's what it's looking like now, mainly because Democratic Left have polled badly, and Syriza probably won't get the victory and the 50 seat bonus. Most likley result at this stage is Pasok and New Democracy form a govt.
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Even with the 50 bonus Syriza cannot form a govt with the democratic left (and would be mad to try to). PASOK will not join coalition without Syriza as they need Syriza to collapse - and they need the coming fuck ups to be pinned on them somehow - that's their main aim. Or, they will strike this pose and then agree to a coalition with the ND they know will be shortlived and damaging to ND which will leave them picking up ND votes in a few months time and at this point ready to be an open coalition with Syriza from a strengthened position.
 
audiotech said:
I haven't heard the KKE refer to anyone as "social fascists".
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The entire KKE posture, for at least two years anyway, has been classic 1928 to 1934 "Third Period Stalinism", ie, everyone else is a Bourgeoise sell out. The scary thing is thatat least some of the KKE analysis is probably right , ie, the shambolic Syriza coalition is almost certainly likely to splinter and sell out if able to win government office (unlikely this time around), or, IF it gained office and IF it carried out its published anti austerity programme -- fall prey to the fate of Salvador Allende in Chile in 1974. The KKE seem to see themselves as the Bolsheviks, with Syriza as the Provisional Government under Kerensky. Trouble is , history seldom repeats itself so neatly (and of course just remember how THAT all worked out).

I think an uncertain, balance of power, result is actually for the best ... the only hope for the Greeks is that the anti austerity struggle also kicks off big time in Spain Portugal and Italy. Postponing the real "toe to toe" conflict with capitalism is in the Greek's interests - unpleasant as continuing chaos in Greece will continue to be -- at least the army is still in the barracks. Likely to be looking more and more like late 1920's Weimar in Greece from now on though. Going to be a need to build up Workers Militias to see off the fascist gangs ASAP. Not sure who has got the organisational clout, other than KKE :( to do that though.
 
Paul Mason twittered earlier today that he agreed with analysis saying that Greece would still leave the Euro no matter what the result of the election.

The UK media have been very keen to paint Syriza as being "extreme left" or "radical left" at every opportunity - purely on the basis that they are "anti-austerity'. Lost count of the amount of times I've heard those phrases used on radio and tv.
 
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