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Glastonbury 2007 pt1: the build-up

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I wonder why the popularity has gone up so much, even since the superfence meant getting in for free was out?

I mean in 2002, took weeks, 2003 it took a couple of days to sell out, 2004 overnight scramble - maybe 12 hours, 2005 around 2.5 - 3 hours, 2007 it took 1 hour 45 minutes???!!

Even with the increased number of tickets.

I mean, there are also more festivals around than there used to be.

Ideas?

Giles..
 
Giles said:
I wonder why the popularity has gone up so much, even since the superfence meant getting in for free was out?

I mean in 2002, took weeks, 2003 it took a couple of days to sell out, 2004 overnight scramble - maybe 12 hours, 2005 around 2.5 - 3 hours, 2007 it took 1 hour 45 minutes???!!

Even with the increased number of tickets.

I mean, there are also more festivals around than there used to be.

Ideas?

Giles..
it sold out immediately in 2003 iirr (bloody Radioheads only british gig of the year or summat). And since the 'superfence' there has been no 'mmm, well I''' see what the weathers like and whether I can be arsed jumping the fence'. If you wanna go, you gotta pay, so people get more prepared. And now the ticket booking itself has almost become an 'event'.

+ festivals are just hip at the mo - global warming at least means they are more likely to be in jolly pleasant weather.
 
belboid said:
global warming at least means they are more likely to be in jolly pleasant weather.

I'm leaving my car on idle in the garage precisely for this reason :)

I want sun @ Glasto!! ;) :D
 
belboid said:
it sold out immediately in 2003 iirr (bloody Radioheads only british gig of the year or summat). And since the 'superfence' there has been no 'mmm, well I''' see what the weathers like and whether I can be arsed jumping the fence'. If you wanna go, you gotta pay, so people get more prepared. And now the ticket booking itself has almost become an 'event'.

+ festivals are just hip at the mo - global warming at least means they are more likely to be in jolly pleasant weather.

Almost an event?!?!

Everyone gets ready, nobody really goes out sat night. Its then gets constant reports on Radio1 on how its going. Its a media blitz. You get Evis giving his commentary waffling on how amazing it all is long after the dust has settled on the sold out sign.
 
newbie said:
that's because it's not about 'customer service' and I hope it never is. It's a festival built on the idea that participants bring what they seek to find.

It's not about customer service but I still think Glasto is a long way from the 'bring what you seek to find and leave no trace' idea. It's a huge commercial event from small time dealers to Orange and Shitweiser. If you want an excercise in self reliance, take a trip to Burning Man....No selling whatsoever apart from one coffee and ice outlet (all proceeds to charity)...you bring what you need, you gift and receive gifts (yes, even drugs and beer!) and you ship everything out again down to the last fag butt or orange peel. It's two hours from the nearest town, on a dry lake bed in 40 degree heat. Sorts out the sheep from the goats I'll tell you!

Belboid kinda has a point i hope you were joking about the global warming bit tho'.
We've debated the changing nature of Glasto long and hard here and over several years and even hard arsed ex fence jumpers like me have had to admit the festival as it was in the 90's and early 00's was unsustainable in every way. Glasto has had to change to adapt to it's own popularity. Yes it was great when you rocked down and found a gap in the fence but not so great for th epoor newbie who'd bought a £100 ticket, not great for the families camped next to 20 Scouse crackheads and not great for those who had their gear nicked or the two or three people who were murdered on what should have been the best weekend of their lives.

Times change, new festies like Wickerman and Beautiful days try to recreate early Glastos and a new generation is initiated in the joys of tripping in a field in Somerset at Midsummer. I've said it many times but Glasto is many things to different people. While I wouldnt cross the road to piss on Rod Stewart, these people have bno effect on numbers and if it means me and Mrs Pagan have a bit more space to dance to, say, Peat Bog Faeries or Eat Static cos all the cagoule wearing arseholes are at the main stage on a Saturday night then, great!
 
murdered? i dont remember anyone being killed, a smack overdose & something else one year, but no murders.

Oh, and Nevada is a bit far away, even for a great festie!
 
belboid said:
murdered? i dont remember anyone being killed, a smack overdose & something else one year, but no murders.

Yeah, to be fair I'm not sure anyone has been killed inside the fence but in 1993, the two crusty twins who were climbing over some yardie gangs 'patch' of fence. One was stabbed and died pretty much instantly. I remember a shooting outside Joe bananas c 1994 too but I don't think anyone was killed
 
pagan said:
I remember a shooting outside Joe bananas c 1994 too but I don't think anyone was killed

Definitely not -- that 1994 shooting was horrible as I'm sure you recall, but no-one was killed or even more than slightly injured I don't think. I came down to that area by chance, on the way away from some gig I can't remember much about (Beastie Boys?? :confused: ). That was a little while after the incident and saw shedloads of Police and Police tape etc., it was a nasty incident for sure, but about 45 minutes later I was up at some rave nearer the Green Fields round an old bus and had forgotten all about it ... ;) :) :cool:
 
pagan said:
It's not about customer service but I still think Glasto is a long way from the 'bring what you seek to find and leave no trace' idea. It's a huge commercial event from small time dealers to Orange and Shitweiser. If you want an excercise in self reliance, take a trip to Burning Man....No selling whatsoever apart from one coffee and ice outlet (all proceeds to charity)...you bring what you need, you gift and receive gifts (yes, even drugs and beer!) and you ship everything out again down to the last fag butt or orange peel. It's two hours from the nearest town, on a dry lake bed in 40 degree heat. Sorts out the sheep from the goats I'll tell you!

Belboid kinda has a point i hope you were joking about the global warming bit tho'.
We've debated the changing nature of Glasto long and hard here and over several years and even hard arsed ex fence jumpers like me have had to admit the festival as it was in the 90's and early 00's was unsustainable in every way. Glasto has had to change to adapt to it's own popularity. Yes it was great when you rocked down and found a gap in the fence but not so great for th epoor newbie who'd bought a £100 ticket, not great for the families camped next to 20 Scouse crackheads and not great for those who had their gear nicked or the two or three people who were murdered on what should have been the best weekend of their lives.

Times change, new festies like Wickerman and Beautiful days try to recreate early Glastos and a new generation is initiated in the joys of tripping in a field in Somerset at Midsummer. I've said it many times but Glasto is many things to different people. While I wouldnt cross the road to piss on Rod Stewart, these people have bno effect on numbers and if it means me and Mrs Pagan have a bit more space to dance to, say, Peat Bog Faeries or Eat Static cos all the cagoule wearing arseholes are at the main stage on a Saturday night then, great!

:) Excellent post, you know the score. Looking forward to chatting with you over a Cider or several :)

;)
 
newbie said:
that's because it's not about 'customer service' and I hope it never is. It's a festival built on the idea that participants bring what they seek to find.

The issue, if there is one, is not that the festival office isn't corporate enough, it's that too many people come with the expectation that they can be passive consumers, simply lapping up entertainment and spectacle, all laid on for them. Demanding to be a customer has been creeping in for the last decade or more, forcing the festival towards corporatism (it's not the only pressure, mind).

If you'd said customer service back in the day people would have thought you were barking: that mindset is what we were trying to get away from! It's not a coincidence that the Green Fields are seen as emblematic of the festival, they're the bit closest to how it was in those days of yore, and their focus is hardly on servicing customers.

I so much agree with pretty much all of this.

Like others I've posted before about the decline of the DIY/bring what you want to find Glasto culture in more recent times. The first Camp Urban, in 2002, tried to revive a bit of that and worked very well ;) but that was down to applied enthusiasm and energy from several old schoolers and to free spirit joining in full on, and helping us out ...

The Green Fields as you say retain many elements of disorganised sponteneity -- not nearly as much as once, but still enough for an old Glasto veteran fart like me to celebrate the fast that this behemoth called Glastonbury has not become totally corporate, not become an identikit festival, still remains a massive class apart from the fully branded mega fests ...

Dub once commented here on a past Glasto thread along the lines that the big names on the main stages, and the commercial, audience attracting, ticket pressure increasing appeal of those, and the corporate sponsorship creeping round the edges in the main market and main stage areas, was the price you paid for keeping the whole thing going.

Sometimes that price was hateful, like the prominence given to the now thankfully SACKED Budshiter. Sometimes the price was a lot more welcome anyway -- we all love the odd big name even if we tell ourselves it's all vibe not lineup. All this is the subsidy the Festival has accepted compromises for, the subsidy that allows the Green and 'alternative' and the 'what's going on in that little tent over there'-type areas to continue and thrive ....

Many might be unhappy with these compromises, but realism makes many old schoolers like pagan and me and newbie* and others, reluctantly accept that the Festival as it had become by 2000, was unsustainable without both the introduction of the Superfence (without which Glastonbury would never have had been granted a licence ever ever again!), AND the introduction of more money and better organisation to pay for/cover better safety, better facilities, less crime, etc.

*he isn't ... ;)

Glastonbury is the biggest city in Somerset for well over a week in June, bigger than Bath. It's like no other city overall, but all the same, like other cities, it has bad bits and good bits and which bits are bad and which good will never be 100% agreed on from one festie goer to the next.

It's the city I know just about best in life, but the one in which I still find something new to see, hear, say, do and be, every time ...

So bring it all the fuck on and have the most fun you can and the best week's holiday of 2007 whichever bit is your favourite bit :) :cool:

ETA in keeping with that last bit, I now appreciate I'm agreeing with both newbie and pagan who disagree with each other ... that's Glasto!!!
 
Society changed, and a changing society changed the festival. I go to and see other festivals hold on much tighter to the no corperate ideology and the eco friendly and social atmosphere of what people say old glastonbury was about and I do think they could have tried harder. But hell, its Glastonbury.....
Part Blakes Jerusalem, part biblical Babylon, part the shire and Rivendell, part Camden market, part Islington wine bar.....









and Ive got a ticket.
 
Nice posts people (It'll be good to catch up with you Will ....I think Newbie and I do agree essentially btw).

I must say DD, what struck me about Glasto first year I went (92) was that, viewed from the Stone Circle at sunrise with the disshevelled hoardes and smoke from 1000 fires hanging over the Somerset hills, the whole site resembled a giant, very British refugee camp. The happiest refugee camp in the world.

Excuse the corporate reference but Carlsberg do'nt do refugee camps, but if they did.......;)
 
dont mention that fucking stone circle, an appaling abomionation - its introduction wqs what marked the death of glastonbury, and it should smashed into little pieces, with the bits being used to stone anyone in a twattish festival hat.

fucking stone circle, the perfect way to miss the point.
 
belboid said:
dont mention that fucking stone circle, an appaling abomionation - its introduction wqs what marked the death of glastonbury, and it should smashed into little pieces, with the bits being used to stone anyone in a twattish festival hat.

fucking stone circle, the perfect way to miss the point.


i kind of agree.. although it does serve as a twat magnet in the early hours which keeps the jugglers and drummers away from anywhere I am :)
 
I thought it was obligatory to say 'man' after 'stone circle...'?

Pagan - PM incoming about Burning Man as a trip to Black Rock in '08 is in the early planning stages, and any tips would be appreciated...
 
I like the stone circle a lot, if it didn't exist someone would have to inv.. oops!

tbh I like the oak tree next to it more, it's the most peaceful place onsite to relax, watch the view and let the world go by :)



pagan said:
Nice posts people (It'll be good to catch up with you Will ....I think Newbie and I do agree essentially btw).

so do I, but you know what these trolls are like, always trying to start fights :rolleyes:





:D :cool: :p
 
They finally took the dosh out of my account yesterday. I am much relieved.

Especially since the tickets I paid for were all for friends (another mate got mine).

Giles..
 
belboid said:
dont mention that fucking stone circle, an appaling abomionation - its introduction wqs what marked the death of glastonbury, and it should smashed into little pieces, with the bits being used to stone anyone in a twattish festival hat.

fucking stone circle, the perfect way to miss the point.
some wanker spent ages telling me that cause i wasn't howling in time with the bongo drummers i was stealing the soul of glastonbury, taking and not giving. tripping my face off this seemed a little plausible.

then he started telling me how druids had dragged the stones there *with their bare hands* many thousands of years ago. he wasn't happy when i laughed in his face.

moral of this story: don't speak to people while tripping if they have TWAT written across their foreheads (really).
 
moose said:
I don't like the stone circle, but I do like the field it's in - best place to see bats!
Ay, best to get right to the top of the hill, away from the poi and drummers, were the view is best, and you can go have a chat with the dragon if you need some company :)
 
....tries to work out if it was maestrocloud or the wanker with the writing across their forehead....



:p :p
 
Giles said:
They finally took the dosh out of my account yesterday. I am much relieved.
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We just had a mini panic about money as there was no record of any attempt at a transaction. Spoke to seetickets and they said that they were trying today and if that didn't go through they would contact us to try again...phhheewww
 
pagan said:
Nice posts people (It'll be good to catch up with you Will ....I think Newbie and I do agree essentially btw).

:)

I must say DD, what struck me about Glasto first year I went (92) was that, viewed from the Stone Circle at sunrise with the disshevelled hoardes and smoke from 1000 fires hanging over the Somerset hills, the whole site resembled a giant, very British refugee camp. The happiest refugee camp in the world.

"Wake Up! Wake Up! It's Yer Somerset Shanty Town Schnews!" :p

(headline of the 1997? Glasto edition -- I 've still got it somewhere ... )
 
Giles said:
They finally took the dosh out of my account yesterday. I am much relieved.

N1 Buoy said:
[We just had a mini panic about money as there was no record of any attempt at a transaction. Spoke to seetickets and they said that they were trying today and if that didn't go through they would contact us to try again...phhheewww

Not yet for me :eek:

Not panicking tho' ...
 
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