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Glastonbury 2007 pt1: the build-up

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rocketman said:
The More I think about it, these ID cards, with those unsmiling images of self that you need to have in order to get hold of a ticket, combined with the fact that data on those cards means whoever has access to that data can get my name, birth date, place of residence and bank details inside a few minutes, is a real turn-off. Glasters was about freedom when first I encountered it, and I loved and still love that festival. I stuck with the event as the fences went up and licenses grew harder to secure, I stuck with the place because I loved its sense of freedom.
But what's so free about the ID card described? Wandering round with that kind of information fed into the Glastonbury ticket machine doesn't feel like freedom. And the idea that the places that in recent years meant the most to me, for example, the tipi field are to be slowly evicted from the main site ("Hippy healing? Outside the gate, near the camper vans, at top, near the ticket-less chavs and the toilets..") Well news of that really isn't a loyalty-inducing factor.
it's so terribly depressing, but at my most "to the stones" moment, as I sit there in memory of the fire jugglers, drummers and dancers and munted people by firelight waiting for the dawn, as I sit in my memory of that place, I find myself thinking: "This was the Field of Avalon, where is freedom now?"
I really dislike reductions of freedom. Freedom is precious. It is rare in a consensus society, and now a little more of it seems gone.
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<shrugs>

Things change, without a lot of the changes that have happened over the years the festival wouldn't exist anymore....
 
William of Walworth said:
This has been known in outline for a while and has already been talked about earlier up this thread. What I'm picking up (from kerplunk over yonder, he also posts here occasionally, too) is that their field will be just outside the fence by the old railway line (where this leaves the site near Lost Vagueness). The implication appears to be that ther'll be an extra staffed entrance at this point for easy in and outness of legit people (guess there'd have to be a security presence there too!! :eek: ;) ). I can't see how arrangements could be done otherwise if that rumour of location is right -- kp's pretty well informed, but we await more information. If there was no gate there, the tipi folks and their visitors would have to walk a huge distance round to get there ...

It is undisputably the case that the tipi field has been growing a lot in recent festivals, maybe they genuinely need the expansion place in a quieter field.
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William, I don't know if Plunk has any better insider info than I do but I suspect he has just read the few snippets that have come out on TOS & subsequent conversations in which I surmised that the new location would probably be at the end of the railway line as you suggest. This is the most logical position given the existing vehicle gate & the fact that we know there is open space beyond from previous aerial photos from that end of the site but all we know for sure is that the tipi field will be outside the main fence but still close to Lost Vaguness.
 
Feetlingly visiting on a different PC :eek:

Yeah, you're probably right, but I didn't think kp was just uninformedly speculating, and as you say it does SOUND a logical place. As can be seen from this map.

(borrowed from another Glastogoer's website -- I think he probably lifted it from the offical map for 2005, but he's conveniently cut it to size)

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I was pretty much unaware of the existence of VG3** when I posted last night, in fact I've hardley been aware of it at all, cos it's been crew only all along I think. With a few adaptations to that gate, and with the addition of a pedestrian path to allow punters as well as crew to get down to it, and with the tipi field just where .... that could work as well as can be expected given that they're moving the tipis at all.

**Glastogeeky mode : Technically, VG3a -- confusingly, VG3b is somewhere completely different, on the other side of the site at the camping field next to Pennards ...
 
DrRingDing said:
And when you turn your telly on and see glimpses of the stone circle and recieve texts and phone messegers from mates telling what an amazing time they're having.

No of course, you will not sob gentle into your pillow, no definately not. :p
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images

:D
 
Just seen this ...

rocketman said:
The More I think about it, these ID cards, with those unsmiling images of self that you need to have in order to get hold of a ticket, combined with the fact that data on those cards means whoever has access to that data can get my name, birth date, place of residence and bank details inside a few minutes, is a real turn-off. Glasters was about freedom when first I encountered it, and I loved and still love that festival. I stuck with the event as the fences went up and licenses grew harder to secure, I stuck with the place because I loved its sense of freedom.
But what's so free about the ID card described? Wandering round with that kind of information fed into the Glastonbury ticket machine doesn't feel like freedom. And the idea that the places that in recent years meant the most to me, for example, the tipi field are to be slowly evicted from the main site ("Hippy healing? Outside the gate, near the camper vans, at top, near the ticket-less chavs and the toilets..") Well news of that really isn't a loyalty-inducing factor.
it's so terribly depressing, but at my most "to the stones" moment, as I sit there in memory of the fire jugglers, drummers and dancers and munted people by firelight waiting for the dawn, as I sit in my memory of that place, I find myself thinking: "This was the Field of Avalon, where is freedom now?"
I really dislike reductions of freedom. Freedom is precious. It is rare in a consensus society, and now a little more of it seems gone.
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Loads to say about details of this, by no means all in disagreement, but no time to do it justice now.

Will be meeting you and lisa for a drink soon anyway rocketman, but all I can say atm is that it'll be shame if you and othes of your mind boycott ... it's starting to happen already, but we need you to keep coming.

As I said earlier, I'm not giving up, I'm still going!
 
But on he tipi field specifically rocketman -- don't just assume that they're being 'evicted' -- we have heard only sketchy rumour/outline so far.

They've been growing in numbers of tipis for years, and were unquestionably outgrowing their existing field. I'm not too happy myself that they're not being moved somehere else nearby within the Green Fields. But how do we know that the main tipi people were not consulted? Maybe they wanted a more spacious, more tranquil space than that one was becoming?

I speculate -- but no more and no less than you when you (seem to) assume that they've not being consulted. It's at least possible that Michael Eavis and/or Liz Elliott (or others??) might have involved them in the decision -- the tipi people might -- or might not -- have ended up with a field they wanted.

We don't know either way, but your use of the word 'evicted' assumes one possibility and not the other.

Are campervans 'evicted' from the main site by being given a field outside the fence (as they have been for years)?? It might be not much more than a matter of boring practical logistics ... or at least partly those.

Rushed post so apologies if it reads confrontationally rocketman, cos you know I come from the same space as you on a lot of things. Call it the historian in me, wanting to hear all the facts/evidence before making too many assumptions, tempting though those are! ;)

Gotta go!
 
William of Walworth said:
I was pretty much unaware of the existence of VG3** when I posted last night, in fact I've hardley been aware of it at all, cos it's been crew only all along I think.
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You were camped within spitting distance of it in 2002 Numpty!

Don't you remember the bloke shinning over the top of it on the Monday & everybody saying "well what's the point of that then?" :D
 
Tort said:
You were camped within spitting distance of it in 2002 Numpty!

Don't you remember the bloke shinning over the top of it on the Monday & everybody saying "well what's the point of that then?" :D
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Oi!! Cheeky. I know exactly where we were in 2002, I chose the fucking field for our camp! :D :p
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
So that'll be me and aqua there on time, desperately trying to blag space for you lot turning up late then, yes? :p
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There's just a tiny chance I might beat you there if I can blag my way in on a staff pass on the Tuesday night. ;)
 
The More I think about it, these ID cards, with those unsmiling images of self that you need to have in order to get hold of a ticket, combined with the fact that data on those cards means whoever has access to that data can get my name, birth date, place of residence and bank details inside a few minutes,
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Where did you get the idea that they will have you bank details? Registration doesn't even mention banking, and did you bother reading the privacy policy?
 
kyser_soze said:
Where did you get the idea that they will have you bank details? Registration doesn't even mention banking, and did you bother reading the privacy policy?
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He was just having a late night rant, but he does have a point. By the time you buy a ticket they already have some of your details and a (non smiling non happy) photograph, which could then be matched up with your bank details, which is a lot of info for them to have, especially if the onsite plod nick you and the organisers have to cooperate with them and hand over the info they have on you.

Just playing devils advocate here, but what if the plod wanted a database of hippies and potential protesters? There would be none better than the huge database of names and photos that Glastonbury has. They say the info will be destroyed after the festie, but how do we know. Do we just take their word for it :confused:

Anyway all this means to me is that my other half really doesn't want to go. I'm in on a photo pass (probably) for the first time ever, but i don't want to go without him :(
 
Bah! First times I went camper vans were everywhere and it was free to get 'em on site. The stages existed but there were also bands playing free gigs on the back of trucks or by the roadsides all through the day and the night. Slowly over the years I have seen all of that change, all under the mantra of the 'health and safety' facists - the same people who want bars to pay huge license fees just for the right to have drinkers having a song and a dance. The Fun police. Glastonbury today is a photocopy of the event it was. And I like to buy event tickets without having to subject mysef to facial scanning and databasing. Databases are only as secure as the computer security around them, and computer security by its nature is never secure.
 
They say the info will be destroyed after the festie, but how do we know. Do we just take their word for it
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Right, so what you're saying is that:

1. The OB are going to get a search and seizure warrant to confiscate the data on the registration DB once it's been used.

2. You don't trust Eavis and co to stick to their word.

Altho quite honestly all those 'real' glasto types who are thinking of boycotting or whatever...feel free. Means more chance of getting a ticket for me and mine...
 
All the stuff about photo requirements is very off putting but I want to go to Glastonbury and I'm going to play along. Very relieved to hear that one person can buy four tickets as we'll be in Guernsey on 1 April without a hope of logging on. Better get around to registering, then.
 
kyser_soze said:
Right, so what you're saying is that:

1. The OB are going to get a search and seizure warrant to confiscate the data on the registration DB once it's been used.

2. You don't trust Eavis and co to stick to their word.

Altho quite honestly all those 'real' glasto types who are thinking of boycotting or whatever...feel free. Means more chance of getting a ticket for me and mine...
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Bit of selective quoting that, as i said i was playing devils advocate on the posibilities of what may happen, but as you are asking...

1. They could, and why not? It would take them ages to gather that sort of intelligence otherwise. Do you trust the police?

2. I do trust Eavis, however i think once he's gone/handed over the reigns to Emily (which he's just about done) she will be easilly influenced and then there's the fiddler to consider (clear channel?) who i don't trust at all.

Also i never said i was a 'real' Glastonbury 'type' who was boycotting it. If you read my post i would very much like to go and i may have a freebie, which means i won't have to go through the registration process, but the other half will have to and i have to consider his opinion on it as i'm not going without him...
 
I have two sets of mates now who are deffo not going to Glastonbury this year. Off to European festivals instead, they have differing reasons but youve probibly heard them all before.

I hear people saying this may be there last as well. I am going to do some European festivals myself this year. Ill see what I find on the continent, but if I get a ticket I will be savouring this on just in case it is my last one.
 
1. They could, and why not? It would take them ages to gather that sort of intelligence otherwise. Do you trust the police?
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On what what grounds of suspicion do you think the OB could squester the 1mn+ records that are online? It'd be interesting to get D-Bs POV on this...
 
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