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Gammon is not racist

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liberal media outlets working overtime to downplay and normalise his facsism
 
heebyjeeby said:
It was a cover up by police, social services and local politicians scared of being called racist...by people like you...thereby allowing the issue to fester and people assuming a more sinister agenda. I am not at all worried about your absurd use of the word.
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No it wasn't. The police, that bastion of political correctness gone mad and antiracism. They didn't want to get called racist cos that would upset them and that's why they didn't do anything.

Fuck all to do with class prejudice and people just not believing the 'chav scum'.

They got away with it so long because of issues of class, not race.
 
lucillemara said:
the gammons of the world have literally destroyed everything and we are doomed. this is not a joke.
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Not true. I just checked and Shane MacGowan is still intact. It will take more than a bit of gammon to see off that indestructible bastard. So they haven't destroyed everything, just got it really pissed and made its teeth fall out. Can still bang out a fine ballad though :cool:



London Irish so I don't know if he's indigenous or not?

(The theme for this thread now appears to be 'fucking mental' so I decided to join in)
 
lucillemara said:
fash: the jews are importing subhuman foreigners to take our [sic] women and destroy the white race!!

libs: are these sketchy looking foreigners coming for our women, as these controversial but charming populists claim? we believe in free speech, so let's hear them out and counter them by agreeing but more calmly, this is the only other acceptable side of the debate

"the left": if we don't take this seriously we'll never win over the working class, which is white and racist and separate from us, and ignoring their legitimate concerns is identity politics, so let's follow suit and make sure the discourse is free of any anti-racism and systemic critique of patriarchy and our beloved police, because socialism is about winning over the workers and keeping them under our thumb so we can educate them for their moral improvement and liberate them from their most pressing hardship, being called racist by guardian readers
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I recognise some of what describe in parts of the left. But, again, I think your point is undermined by ridiculous hyperbole. There are large parts of the left you've overlooked, and which actively resist the sort of attitudes and behaviours you've described.

And you've missed any nuance aground the need for the working class to discuss these issues amongst ourselves, with a false dichotomy: either we label as fascists everyone who, perhaps from desperation, might be attracted to the seemingly simple solutions offered by the right; or, give those lies some credence in order to woo working class racists.
 
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When I was an age when things seemed less nuanced, we used to say "Scratch a tory, find a nazi. Scratch a liberal, find a tory. Scratch a lot of so-called socialists, find liberals."

I don't think it's altogether untrue but it's naive to say that it's absolutely true, because:

Athos said:
There are large parts of the left you've overlooked, and which actively resist the sort of attitudes and behaviours you've described.
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heebyjeeby said:
You are an utter parody. I'm a socialist. too bad I don't have your Americanocentric idpol obsessions
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There is fuck all socialist about using terminology like traditional, indigenous and working class as code for White. There's no solidarity in that. It's you placing value and the concerns of some people above others that can all describe themselves using those terms by erasing them altogether in your discourse. Saying that doesn't make me or anyone else AmericanIDpol obsessive though it does expose the very exclusive nature of your so called socialism and reveal piss poor attempts to hide your own IDpoliticking perspective.

So yeah...speaking of parody...pot, meet kettle.
 
Britain being the mixed up place it is though, I'd call anyone born here 'indigenous' regardless of their ethnic background.

It isn't a must to use words in the same way fascists use them. Indigenous doesn't mean aboriginal, there are no aboriginal people in the British isles, but anyone born here IMO has the right to call themselves indigenous. Like native, it's code for 'born here', not code for 'white'. No reason at all that BaME and mixed-heritage people can't be indigenous.
 
mojo pixy said:
Britain being the mixed up place it is though, I'd call anyone born here 'indigenous' regardless of their ethnic background.

It isn't a must to use words in the same way fascists use them. Indigenous doesn't mean aboriginal, there are no aboriginal people in the British isles, but anyone born here IMO has the right to call themselves indigenous. Like native, it's code for 'born here', not code for 'white'. No reason at all that BaME and mixed-heritage people can't be indigenous.
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Aye, good point but it just tends to turn up in right-wing discourse, on occasion...
 
mojo pixy said:
Britain being the mixed up place it is though, I'd call anyone born here 'indigenous' regardless of their ethnic background.

It isn't a must to use words in the same way fascists use them. Indigenous doesn't mean aboriginal, there are no aboriginal people in the British isles, but anyone born here IMO has the right to call themselves indigenous. Like native, it's code for 'born here', not code for 'white'. No reason at all that BaME and mixed-heritage people can't be indigenous.
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Whether someone was born here, or settled here, I call them British.
 
Sasaferrato said:
Whether someone was born here, or settled here, I call them British.
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Yeah fair enough, Britain is that kind of place. Indigenous means native so not settled from elsewhere, but if someone settles and their kids are born native then IMO the kids have the right to call themselves indigenous, because that's what they are.

Using indigenous as code for 'white' is extreme-right sophistry, based on conflating indigenous with aboriginal. And as everything coming from that source, it's shite.
 
Sasaferrato said:
Sorry, whatever your point may be, it just passed overhead at 30,000 feet.

If you think I'm reading 34 pages of disjointed bollocks... life is too short. (I'm 66 you know.) :)
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obvious point, but when has not having a clue what a thread is about ever stopped you weighing in ?
 
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