Feminism and the Gender Pay Gap

[Treacle Toes]

It's like watching a bot build a strawman then have a wank over how attractive the strawman is.

 

[Poot]

i wanted to counter some of that but it was so ridiculous that it's not worth the bother. None of it means anything. It sounds very grand, though. Well done.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Paying women less than men for the same work has been illegal in the UK for 50 years. Undeterred, feminist ideology proposes the myth that there is a “patriarchy”, through which men contrive to ensure women are paid less than men for the same work - the so-called “pay gap”.

The absurdity of this proposition is evident from the pattern of business failures, and the behaviour of management and shareholders implied by feminist cant, as follows:

1. The number of UK business deaths (i.e. deaths of businesses, not deaths of employees in businesses) increased from 288,000 to 357,000 between 2016 and 2017. Some of these could have been avoided or delayed by reducing workforce cost.

2. If the feminist ideologist’s claim that women are paid less than men for the same work were true, then we would predict that firms facing bankruptcy would replace their male workforces with female workforces to lower their cost and extend their viability.

3. There are no examples of firms doing so for economic reasons (there are examples of firms attempting to do so for ideological reasons).

To explain this, feminists therefore have to claim one of more of the following propositions to be true:

1. Women prefer to be paid less and / or to be made redundant than take their employer to court for the illegal practice of paying women less for the same work (absurd).

2. Managers prefer to allow their enterprise to fail and lose their own livelihood rather than compromise a supposed patriarchy by replacing men with women (absurd).

3. Managers prefer to violate their fiduciary duty to shareholders to maximise profit rather than compromise a supposed patriarchy by replacing men with women (absurd)

4. Shareholders prefer to lose their investment rather than compromise a supposed patriarchy by replacing men with women (absurd).

There are pay gaps due to total differences in hours worked, remuneration rates for hazardous work, etc. Where there are historical pay gaps for the illegal practice of paying men and women differently for the same work, they are challenged in court and eliminated. There is little evidence of firms exploiting such illegal behaviour to avoid collapse. There are cohorts that contradict the pay gap myth in which women earn more than men (part time work, men and women in their 20’s, etc.)

Feminist ideology most closely resembles religious belief or pseudoscience in its reliance on articles of faith that have no explanatory power, and which are trivially falsifiable by observable reality.

Still, you were wrong about the median pay thing, eh?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Paying women less than men for the same work has been illegal in the UK for 50 years. Undeterred, feminist ideology proposes the myth that there is a “patriarchy”, through which men contrive to ensure women are paid less than men for the same work - the so-called “pay gap”.

LOL!! You don't actually understand what the gender pay gap is, do you?

 

[Pickman's model]

Paying women less than men for the same work has been illegal in the UK for 50 years. Undeterred, feminist ideology proposes the myth that there is a “patriarchy”, through which men contrive to ensure women are paid less than men for the same work - the so-called “pay gap”.

The absurdity of this proposition is evident from the pattern of business failures, and the behaviour of management and shareholders implied by feminist cant, as follows:

1. The number of UK business deaths (i.e. deaths of businesses, not deaths of employees in businesses) increased from 288,000 to 357,000 between 2016 and 2017. Some of these could have been avoided or delayed by reducing workforce cost.

2. If the feminist ideologist’s claim that women are paid less than men for the same work were true, then we would predict that firms facing bankruptcy would replace their male workforces with female workforces to lower their cost and extend their viability.

3. There are no examples of firms doing so for economic reasons (there are examples of firms attempting to do so for ideological reasons).

To explain this, feminists therefore have to claim one of more of the following propositions to be true:

1. Women prefer to be paid less and / or to be made redundant than take their employer to court for the illegal practice of paying women less for the same work (absurd).

2. Managers prefer to allow their enterprise to fail and lose their own livelihood rather than compromise a supposed patriarchy by replacing men with women (absurd).

3. Managers prefer to violate their fiduciary duty to shareholders to maximise profit rather than compromise a supposed patriarchy by replacing men with women (absurd)

4. Shareholders prefer to lose their investment rather than compromise a supposed patriarchy by replacing men with women (absurd).

There are pay gaps due to total differences in hours worked, remuneration rates for hazardous work, etc. Where there are historical pay gaps for the illegal practice of paying men and women differently for the same work, they are challenged in court and eliminated. There is little evidence of firms exploiting such illegal behaviour to avoid collapse. There are cohorts that contradict the pay gap myth in which women earn more than men (part time work, men and women in their 20’s, etc.)

Feminist ideology most closely resembles religious belief or pseudoscience in its reliance on articles of faith that have no explanatory power, and which are trivially falsifiable by observable reality.

you do know that max weber used the term patriarchy and he's been dead for the best part of 100 years.

your post is a prime example of what not to do if one wishes to avoid being thought extremely stupid.

 

[kabbes]

There is no evidence possible that will convince Falcon of anything.

 

[DexterTCN]

LOL!! You don't actually understand what the gender pay gap is, do you?

Perhaps you can explain it, to avoid confusion.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Perhaps you can explain it, to avoid confusion.

Why? Don't you understand it either?

 

[8ball]

It's like watching a bot build a strawman then have a wank over how attractive the strawman is.

‘Tis a BDE strawman.

 

[DexterTCN]

Why? Don't you understand it either?

Any time you want to explain it feel free, I'll wait.

 

[Poot]

Any time you want to explain it feel free, I'll wait.

And yet Google is your friend here. I wonder why you expect women to explain it to you.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Any time you want to explain it feel free, I'll wait.

fishfinger put up a perfectly good link earlier. But if you're too lazy to look - then here it is: Gender pay gap in the UK - Office for National Statistics

 

[Pickman's model]

Any time you want to explain it feel free, I'll wait.

it can be explained to you. but it can't be understood for you.

 

[DexterTCN]

And yet Google is your friend here. I wonder why you expect women to explain it to you.

Google certainly is my friend...here

I found this

 

[ElizabethofYork]

What point are you trying to make, DexterTCN ?

 

[Poot]

Google certainly is my friend...here

I found this

That's nice. Bollocks, most of it, especially where she suggests that women who don't like their supermarket pay should work in the warehouse, but all good fun of course.

Also, I am being paid less than men for doing the same work as men and so are many, many women. So that argument holds no water with me, either. All this whinging about how it doesn't happen because it's illegal in this country usually comes from the same pricks who think that women don't get made redundant while they're on maternity leave with alarming regularity.

 

[Manter]

I want to know how one becomes a feminist ideologist. Sounds much more fun than anything my careers officer suggested to me

 

[Proper Tidy]

Imagine linking to Jonathan Pie

 

[DexterTCN]

Imagine linking to Jonathan Pie

...interviewing a feminist who has written a book about the gender pay gap.

 

[Poot]

...interviewing a feminist who has written a book about the gender pay gap.

Have you got any Monty Python?

 

[killer b]

...interviewing a feminist who has written a book about the gender pay gap.

I thought I'd check this out, cause not all feminists who've written books are equal: turns out this one doesn't actually exist, and nor does the book. Shes an actor.

 

[DexterTCN]

I thought I'd check this out, cause not all feminists who've written books are equal: turns out this one doesn't actually exist, and nor does the book. Shes an actor.

And her facts?

 

[killer b]

They arent 'her' facts, they're a script written by the writers of jonathan pie. I'm not planning on watching it.

 

[killer b]

Anyway. Some solid googling there. Good work.

 

[Poot]

And her facts?

Written by men. Which makes perfect sense now.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Well done for posting Spiked does Comedy there Dex

 

[Manter]

Hang on, I’m confused. RT’s pet, Pie, has invented a feminist and invented a book that the invented feminist wrote about the gender pay gap as part of some terribly involved ‘comedy’ routine.

Which has just been quoted as evidence in a terribly involved MRA routine

This all feels a bit meta

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Dude's starting definitions are all wrong, and you know I'm a sucker for having robust definitions at outset.

I'm gonna debunk this MRA shite tomoz, but is it worth it?

 

[killer b]

Not really.

 

[Poot]

Dude's starting definitions are all wrong, and you know I'm a sucker for having robust definitions at outset.

I'm gonna debunk this MRA shite tomoz, but is it worth it?

I should have a nice walk or enjoy a good book or poke yourself repeatedly with a cocktail stick. Honestly.