Feminism and a world designed for men

[Poot]

Old Vic Theatre replaces single-sex toilets with inclusive facilities for all genders

It's a shame that it doesnt describe them in more detail. I welcome unisex loos but only if there is a sink and sanitary bin in the cubicle. A room full of urinals seems like a good idea too. But i dont know what the scope was or what it now is now so this is all a bit meaningless.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's a shame that it doesnt describe them in more detail. I welcome unisex loos but only if there is a sink and sanitary bin in the cubicle. A room full of urinals seems like a good idea too. But i dont know what the scope was or what it now is now so this is all a bit meaningless.

a bit shit you might say

 

[campanula]

I can't say as I have ever been in a gender neutral toilet. Have they abandoned urinals altogether? In fairness, I would sooner have a wee under a bush than enter most public lavatories and would definitely avoid any with open urinals.
eta, Yep, Poot, a bit more detail would have been welcome (couldn't actually read the article because adblock). Sounds a bit shit all round (although I can't really see myself visiting the Old Vic at any time because I am an anti-social philistine).

 

[Gromit]

I did a first aid course years ago that my union sent me on, missed the bit about menstruation response, must have nipped out for a fag

Me too.
Doesn't stop staff thinking they can call you though.
Doesn't stop people expecting you to have an answer when they do.
Doesn't stop you from using common sense and your own knowledge.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Me too.
Doesn't stop staff thinking they can call you though.
Doesn't stop people expecting you to have an answer when they do.
Doesn't stop you from using common sense and your own knowledge.

So these women, who you helped, didn't know how to treat period pain?

 

[TopCat]

I edited my post to include the poster. Did you see it? It makes clear that what they were asking people to donate to was to double the number of "ladies' loos" - that was the fundraiser.

I didn't see it. Illuminating. Interesting use of the term "ladies".

 

[Athos]

I didn't see it. Illuminating. Interesting use of the term "ladies".

Yes, probably reflects the mores and demographics of the management and clientele.

But putting aside the antiquated language, I think they started with the right idea - to double the provision of women's toilets - but were persuaded to go 'gender neutral' then made a mess of what that looks like on the ground, to the detriment of women.

 

[Gromit]

So these women, who you helped, didn't know how to treat period pain?

Don’t ask me. It’s not for me to speculate what they did or didn’t know or why they thought a first aider was the answer.

But I did have knowledge of how to access what they needed so for treatment. Which they didn’t have so it was a good call on their part.

Does it really irk you so that I could help?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Don’t ask me. It’s not for me to speculate what they did or didn’t know or why they thought a first aider was the answer.

But I did have knowledge of how to access what they needed so for treatment. Which they didn’t have so it was a good call on their part.

Does it really irk you so that I could help?

No. It doesn't irk me. It puzzles me.

 

[TopCat]

Yes, probably reflects the mores and demographics of the management and clientele.

But putting aside the antiquated language, I think they started with the right idea - to double the provision of women's toilets - but were persuaded to go 'gender neutral' then made a mess of what that looks like on the ground, to the detriment of women.

It is likely the remit got widened after doing an equality impact assessment.

 

[TopCat]

No. It doesn't irk me. It puzzles me.

It's a bit odd.

 

[Gromit]

No. It doesn't irk me. It puzzles me.

It puzzles you that a man could have knowledge and common sense and a desire to help their fellow man (turn of phrase) enough to volunteer to be a first aider.

You must really hate men.

 

[Poot]

Fucking hell.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

It puzzles you that a man could have knowledge and common sense and a desire to help their fellow man (turn of phrase) enough to volunteer to be a first aider.

You must really hate men.

Not at all. It puzzles me that a woman, who presumably has been having periods since she was about 12 or so, didn't know how to treat period pain. That's all.

 

[Treacle Toes]

It puzzles you that a man could have knowledge and common sense and a desire to help their fellow man (turn of phrase) enough to volunteer to be a first aider.

Oh get lost. Women would only turn to a first aider/a man because of their periods if they lacked sanitary products and or pain relief. Women don't need you unless you have the key to first aid cabinet. You are irrelevant otherwise. Women know how to care for themselves and their periods and are more likely to turn to other women.

You must really hate men.

You are indeed the 'type' of man women learn to hate.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Not at all. It puzzles me that a woman, who presumably has been having periods since she was about 12 or so, didn't know how to treat period pain. That's all.

Because gromit is MENSTRUATION MAN...there for women in their ignorance, their pain, their sanitary needs!

 

[Pickman's model]

Don’t ask me. It’s not for me to speculate what they did or didn’t know or why they thought a first aider was the answer.

But I did have knowledge of how to access what they needed so for treatment. Which they didn’t have so it was a good call on their part.

Does it really irk you so that I could help?

i don't believe the incident you claim actually occurred

 

[ElizabethofYork]

 

[Treacle Toes]

Maybe some blood on his hands to drive the point home of his unyielding dedication and hands on approach?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Maybe some blood on his hands to drive the point home of his unyielding dedication and hands on approach?

And some tampons in his utility belt.

 

[trashpony]

Girls at schools are getting UTIs because of mixed sex toilets. My son refused to use the toilets in the aquarium in Copenhagen because they were mixed.

I don't want to stand next to a man when I'm washing period blood off my hands and men deserve privacy when they're using urinals.

The Old Vic fraudulently misused funds. They raised money for women's toilets which they promptly opened to anyone who wants to use them. So women have fewer toilets available to them now rather than more. And yet we make up the majority of theatre goers.

 

[Treacle Toes]

And some tampons in his utility belt.

Fucks sake yes, HIS utility belt. Tampons, hot water bottles, guns loaded with paracetamol and ice cream. Abundant chocolate bars in his pockets.

 

[Gromit]

Not at all. It puzzles me that a woman, who presumably has been having periods since she was about 12 or so, didn't know how to treat period pain. That's all.

There's period pain and then there is curled up in a ball on the floor unable to help themselves period pain that only some women get.
I'm guessing she was alone in having experience of such (amongst that particular group) and not in a condition to help herself too much.
Does that help solve the puzzle?

Maybe they were hysterical?

(Yes I went there, might as well ridicule you all as you are ridiculing me for actually helping someone in pain)

 

[Athos]

It is likely the remit got widened after doing an equality impact assessment.

I doubt it. Such an assessment might explain the presence of the one explicitly designated gender neutral cubicle and the disabled facilities, but wouldn't necessitate scrapping all women-only provision.

 

[krtek a houby]

There's period pain and then there is curled up in a ball on the floor unable to help themselves period pain that only some women get.
I'm guessing she was alone in having experience of such (amongst that particular group) and not in a condition to help herself too much.
Does that help solve the puzzle?

Maybe they were hysterical?

(Yes I went there, might as well ridicule you as you are ridiculing me for actually helping someone in pain)

Hang on a mo', are you explaining to women about periods?

 

[Pickman's model]

Girls at schools are getting UTIs because of mixed sex toilets.

because of the hygiene of the toilets or because they refuse to use the toilets?

neither poor hygiene nor children refusing to use toilets would be any new thing, see for example s. vernon et al, 'children’s experiences of school toilets present a risk to their physical and psychological health,' in child: care, health & development, 29:1 (2003), 47–53: nonetheless, it is deplorable to make children, either boys or girls, unhappy to use toilets as they need to.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

(Yes I went there, might as well ridicule you all as you are ridiculing me for actually helping someone in pain)

Nobody's ridiculing you for helping someone in pain. You're making yourself ridiculous.

 

[Pickman's model]

There's period pain and then there is curled up in a ball on the floor unable to help themselves period pain that only some women get.
I'm guessing she was alone in having experience of such (amongst that particular group) and not in a condition to help herself too much.
Does that help solve the puzzle?

Maybe they were hysterical?

(Yes I went there, might as well ridicule you all as you are ridiculing me for actually helping someone in pain)

i remain unpersuaded you're telling the truth

 

[Gromit]

Nobody's ridiculing you for helping someone in pain. You're making yourself ridiculous.

How am I?
You are asking what happened then questioning the women's actions as if I should know why they acted the way they did. All I can do is guess if my guesses are wrong then I can't be blamed because as you point out I'm just a man and can only guess.

Sorry was I meant to interrogate them at the time of their crisis so I could justify it all to some randoms on the internet later on. I'll bear that in mind for the future.

 

[Pickman's model]

How am I?
You are asking what happened then questioning the women's actions as if I should know why they acted the way they did. All I can do is guess if my guesses are wrong then I can't be blamed because as you point out I'm just a man and can only guess.

Sorry was I meant to interrogate them at the time of their crisis so I could justify it all to some randoms on the internet later on. I'll bear that in mind for the future.

i think this was something you made up thinking how clever you were being and you'd not thought the situation through when you posted it. they'd never have this sort of thing on tv's 'would i lie to you?' as it's such a transparent fib