Manter
Lunch Mob
The recent ‘unacceptable side effects’ report made me snort
Feminism and a world designed for men
- Thread starter friendofdorothy
- Start date
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
I would.Would you as a woman trust that they had remembered to take it?
I suppose you could put it in their beer
But then I don't think men are like children. And I don't like the lazy stereotype about men not being perfectly capable of doing what they said they'd do. If I were a man I would probably find it very tiresome, too.
I cannot see that I would be keen to hand over my reproductive viability to a man, though. Nothing to do whether I consider them capable and adult.Embarking on shared parenting is surely confirmation of belief in competence and ability...I love and trust mine completely. However, the not negligible fact of pregnancy and breast feeding...whose body is most affected...requires I keep autonomy over my body. Responsibility for pregnancy, is still mine to make...while there is nothing to say a man may not take equal responsibility for his role, by having the snip or taking a male contraceptive pill, if/when available. I would still wish to keep some control over my body.
Last edited:
JudithB
Well-Known Member
The Old Vic crowd funded to provide more women's toilets and recently announced they now refurbished to provide male urinals and unisex toilets.
As Caroline Criado Perez has pointed out on twitter, this means men have 18 facilities just for them, plus 24 they share with women. So that’s 42 men have access to. Meanwhile women have access to 24, that they share with men.
How is this progress?
To add insult to injury, women were up in arms on the Old Vic's twitter feed as the crowdfunding had specially said for MORE WOMEN'S TOILETS, the Old Vic ignored all those women but said to "blue ticked" Caroline they would be happy to speak with her. If you are not famous you do not have a voice women!
Old Vic Theatre replaces single-sex toilets with inclusive facilities for all genders
As Caroline Criado Perez has pointed out on twitter, this means men have 18 facilities just for them, plus 24 they share with women. So that’s 42 men have access to. Meanwhile women have access to 24, that they share with men.
How is this progress?
To add insult to injury, women were up in arms on the Old Vic's twitter feed as the crowdfunding had specially said for MORE WOMEN'S TOILETS, the Old Vic ignored all those women but said to "blue ticked" Caroline they would be happy to speak with her. If you are not famous you do not have a voice women!
Old Vic Theatre replaces single-sex toilets with inclusive facilities for all genders
I do think the throughput of male urinals is a consideration. On the one hand they free up the sit-down bogs to some great extent, and keep them splash-free, which isn't a bad thing. On the other, they get men in and out in far greater numbers and there would have to be a great many more unisex toilets for women to have the same chance of a quick slash, which is vital in a theatre.
JudithB
Well-Known Member
The toilet cubicles are available to anyone. They promised more toilets for women. Now men will join the queue for the women's when their own urinals are busy. Who wins? It would have been much simpler and fairer to provide more women only toilets and add some unisex ones too.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
So is it not the case that the number of toilets available to women has doubled?
Gromit
International Man of Misery
They really won’t you know.
Even if there is a queue for the urinals, men’s queues move faster, men know this. People always go for the fastest queue. Just ask any comedian who has done a piece on Supermarkets.
A single urinal will move 28.7 more men per min than a stall. Times 18 and that’s 1456 MpM.
Let’s be honest the true argument here is that you were happy with zero toilets for trans people and now they have 42!!!!11!!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the number of toilets available to women has doubled but many of them are also available to men.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
An honest answer.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
women have always been able to sit in the stalls
the stalls has never been a men-only space
TopCat
Putin fanboy
The bastards
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Dastardly I calls it!
Gromit
International Man of Misery
The proof of the pudding will be in how long it takes the audience to return to seats during an intermission.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
No. It is also about comfort and privacy.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
this is urban and we get our arguments in first. uninformed speculation our speciality.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Has there seriously been a study in bog throughput or are you just making this up?
The fair thing to do would be to make all the loos single-sex, thus slowing everyone down equally, If the most important thing is throughput then the sensible thing to do would be to make all the male loos unisex and keep some female only ones, but that means effectively giving women special privileges in the interests of mutual efficiency and I'm sure there will be people ranting about that as well (females outnumber males 2 to 1 in the Q household so personally in favour).
No matter what I suspect I will always end up queueing at the bar because my wife is still queueing at the ladies.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Do you think there might be lesser privacy?
How?
Or are you concerned that there might be greater privacy? Restricting you from sharing a cubicle with a girlfriend (That might be more of a festival or does it happen where I'm not able to witness?) or having a good ole gossip through the walls and doors.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Am I right in thinking there are now no men's or women's toilets, such that (in principle) anyone can use any stalls, but that, in reality women are unlikely to use the stalls in the room where there are urinals, and will now have to compete with men to use the stalls elsewhere? Practically speaking, that's not really any improvement in the provision of facilities women (which was the basis of the fundraising) is it?
Athos
Well-Known Member
The fair thing to do would be to provide separate men's and women's toilets in a ratio that equalises average waiting times, whilst not undermining the safety that single-sex facilities provide to women.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
94.5% of statistics are made up.
If it wasn't obvious work through my maths.
I have had much experience of queueing at festival portaloos.
Pro tip. Queue in the queue with the most men.
Pro Pro tip: Unless there is urinals. Then queue there.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
No. I really dont want to spell out why women might need more privacy but if you suffered with heavy periods you would probably understand but please do assume that its because we want to gossip. Women heh? Chuh.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
I suspect stalls have been removed from the men's and extra urinals installed. Thereby speeding up men just peeing.
Men pooing will now take longer as they compete with women for stalls.
Similar threads
