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In this case, they would certainly as they were automatically issued to children resident in the UK six months before their sixteenth birthday and I know nobody who moved here as an adult who didn't apply for one.
Fate of EU citizens in the UK post Brexit
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tim
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If they've not worked legally and are not claiming benefits, they would fly under the radar both before and after BREXIT. If they've never worked and, excluding other extenuating circumstances, try to claim benefit, even under EU law they could be deported. to prevent you from becoming a burden on the state.
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Plastic Paddy
The point is for them not to go unnoticed for their sakes as much as any other. The way to do that is to issue a status to those who apply for it so they have something to show potential employers, benefits people, landlords, etc, that differentiates them from someone who arrived this year unless they pass the new requirements. Exactly the same as it works for foreigners in any other non-EU country. What you're suggesting makes no sense.
Raheem
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The woman in question has lived in the UK since before she could talk.
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Plastic Paddy
I know. So what? We’re discussing how to generally issue leave to remain.
Raheem
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No, we're discussing a situation specific to Brexit, where people are being asked to take action to safeguard a right to to live in the country that they already have, and have had for decades in some cases.
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Plastic Paddy
Yes.
Thousands aged over 65 failed to apply for EU settled status – report
Lords report calls on the government to ensure support remains in place to help late applicants secure their status
eta: here's the report
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Supine
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That doesn't mean they need to "do nothing".
It refers to EU citizens "lawfully resident in the UK", so obviously their lawful status would have to be proven. It's like saying anyone passing a driving test will automatically be granted a licence. They'd still have to apply for it and show they passed the test. And again, there were huge campaigns, TV and press, before Brexit telling them what they needed to do (it wasn't nothing). Over 5 million EU citizens have successfully applied and been granted settled or pre-settled status,. They all got the message just fine so nobody has been blindsided here.
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bimble
floofy
The government website which lists what kind of evidence they will and won't accept from people trying to prove that they've been resident here for the required length of time includes this little list of things which are not allowed.
that little list is obviously there because of people trying to jump through the required hoops but lacking a filing cabinet containing the correct documents spanning 5 years.
Looking at the list, my mum would not i think have been able to prove her right to stay, despite living here for some 35 years.
that little list is obviously there because of people trying to jump through the required hoops but lacking a filing cabinet containing the correct documents spanning 5 years.
Looking at the list, my mum would not i think have been able to prove her right to stay, despite living here for some 35 years.
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Plastic Paddy
The government website which lists what kind of evidence they will and won't accept from people trying to prove that they've been resident here for the required length of time includes this little list of things which are not allowed.
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that little list is obviously there because of people trying to jump through the required hoops but lacking a filing cabinet containing the correct documents spanning 5 years.
Or more likely that some fucking idiots need it spelled out that letters from family and friends are not official or impartial.
bimble
floofy
You really are being a dick about this.
Not everyone has 5 years worth of official documents with their name and address on them.
eg)
[:en]Settled Status for Those in Precarious or Insecure Work[:es]Tengo un trabajo precario o inseguro[:bg]Работата ми е несигурна[:sk]Mám pochybnú alebo neistú prácu[:pl]Mam niepewną lub niestabilną pracę[:hu]A munkahelyem bizonytalan vagy inog[:ro]P
Settled Status information and advice for those who are in low paid self-employment, who do zero-hour contract work or agency work, or 'gig-economy' work.
settled.org.uk
[:en]Settled Status for Victims or Survivors of Modern Slavery[:es]Soy una víctima o superviviente de esclavitud moderna[:bg]Аз съм жертва на модерно робство ( или оцелял(а) от модерно робство)[:sk]Čelím alebo čelil/a som modernému otroctvu[:pl]Jeste
Settled Status information for victims and surviviors of modern slavery. Find relevant information and contact details to organisations that can help you.
settled.org.uk
[:en]Settled Status for Victims or Survivors of Domestic Abuse[:es]Soy una víctima o superviviente de violencia doméstica[:bg]Аз съм жертва на домашно насилие (или оцелял(а) от домашно насилие)[:sk]Čelím alebo čelil/a som domácemu zneužívaniu[:pl]Jes
Settled Status information for victims and surviviors of domestic abuse. Find relevant information and contact details to organisations that can help you.
settled.org.uk
What are they supposed to do, the fucking idiots.
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andysays
Love and solidarity
It's also similar (and perhaps this is a better comparison) to saying anyone who is a British citizen is entitled to a British passport.
You still need to apply for the passport (and provide documentation to demonstrate your entitlement), and you need to keep and use that passport in certain situations to prove your status.
Those who don't possess the appropriate documents, whether that's a passport or leave to remain or anything else, are always likely to have trouble proving their status.
This issue is not unique to the UK, and certainly not to Brexit, and most people recognise that it's a necessary and relatively minor inconvenience rather than a massive issue. For a small number of people in particular situations, it can be a massive issue, but I'm baffled by the tendency of some on this thread to talk as if that's the general picture for everyone.
bimble
floofy
Thats not a great comparison is it because a passport is optional, not having a passport doesn't mean you are here illegally.
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Plastic Paddy
Well you're the one posting silly lists of things that wouldn't be considered evidence by anyone in the world, ever!
bimble
floofy
If i was the home office I'd accept postcards, with your name address and a dated stamp on them, if they had the correct documents they'd send those instead wouldnt they.
andysays
Love and solidarity
You really are being a dick about this.
Not everyone has 5 years worth of official documents with their name and address on them.
eg)
[:en]Settled Status for Those in Precarious or Insecure Work[:es]Tengo un trabajo precario o inseguro[:bg]Работата ми е несигурна[:sk]Mám pochybnú alebo neistú prácu[:pl]Mam niepewną lub niestabilną pracę[:hu]A munkahelyem bizonytalan vagy inog[:ro]P
Settled Status information and advice for those who are in low paid self-employment, who do zero-hour contract work or agency work, or 'gig-economy' work.[:en]Settled Status for Victims or Survivors of Modern Slavery[:es]Soy una víctima o superviviente de esclavitud moderna[:bg]Аз съм жертва на модерно робство ( или оцелял(а) от модерно робство)[:sk]Čelím alebo čelil/a som modernému otroctvu[:pl]Jeste
Settled Status information for victims and surviviors of modern slavery. Find relevant information and contact details to organisations that can help you.[:en]Settled Status for Victims or Survivors of Domestic Abuse[:es]Soy una víctima o superviviente de violencia doméstica[:bg]Аз съм жертва на домашно насилие (или оцелял(а) от домашно насилие)[:sk]Čelím alebo čelil/a som domácemu zneužívaniu[:pl]Jes
Settled Status information for victims and surviviors of domestic abuse. Find relevant information and contact details to organisations that can help you.
What are they supposed to do, the fucking idiots.
Just take one example, I've worked at various times for employment agencies and on zero hours contracts.
I was given standard pay slips just the same as anyone who was a permanent employee, including a P60 at the end of the year.
Most people in this situation will be able to prove their employment details just as easily as most people in permanent employment.
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bimble
floofy
Yes. Those people will be fine.
andysays
Love and solidarity
We're not talking about whether it's optional, we're talking about the process of getting one, and the fact that there needs to be a process.
But if you think it's all too much hassle, then don't bother getting passport or renewing your existing one, and just present a postcard with your name and address on it the next time you need to prove your status. I'm sure that will go well.
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bimble
floofy
I don't think this is what is going on, you know. It's not that people are sending postcards because they're too lazy to get their settled status properly.
Don't know why people are being so weird and aggressive about this.
Yes, the large majority of eligible people will have applied and got their settled / pre-settled status without too much hassle.
There are many who will fall through the cracks though that's all, not because they're lazy or fucking idiots.
For instance am pretty sure my mum if she still lived here would have been one of them, not from laziness just lack of paperwork.
Unsettled Status - 2020: Which EU Citizens are at Risk of Failing to Secure their Rights after Brexit? - Migration Observatory
Report update highlighting the difficulties certain groups of people may encounter in securing status
andysays
Love and solidarity
You're the one who's introduced postcards as an appropriate means of demonstrating status, and making comments about people being lazy or fucking idiots.I don't think this is what is going on, you know. It's not that people are sending postcards because they're too lazy to get their settled status properly.
Don't know why people are being so weird and aggressive about this.
Yes, the large majority of eligible people will have applied and got their settled / pre-settled status without too much hassle.
There are many who will fall through the cracks though that's all, not because they're lazy or fucking idiots.
For instance am pretty sure my mum if she still lived here would have been one of them, not from laziness just lack of paperwork.
Unsettled Status - 2020: Which EU Citizens are at Risk of Failing to Secure their Rights after Brexit? - Migration Observatory
Report update highlighting the difficulties certain groups of people may encounter in securing statusmigrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk
You're the one whose posts are coming across as weird and aggressive.
Your recent contributions to this thread are pretty ridiculous, TBH.
bimble
floofy
You are the one who said ' if you think it's all too much hassle & don't bother' & spy called the people submitting inadmissable evidence fucking idiots. But ok.
andysays
Love and solidarity
My comment about too much hassle was directed specifically at you and your ridiculous suggestion about postcards.
I've already said that I recognise there are some people who have trouble proving their status, but as you've previously posted about travelling abroad eg to visit your parents, I'm making the assumption that you currently have a passport or at least have had one in the past, so that doesn't apply to you.
I'm not arguing that there isn't an issue here for some people, but your posts aren't really helping discuss that in any way.
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bimble
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Not sure what point you were making then, why on earth would i ever use a postcard to try to get a passport? I am good at this stuff, i have three.
The postcards thing was on the government website, where you go to find the list of what is required for settled status.
Not my idea, just found the list of rejected evidence (scrap books, birthday cards etc) quite moving tbh. And I was not being entirely serious when i said If I was the home office.
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