Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
no i haven't missed that fact. the brexiteers have - and the government are choosing to ignore it. although fuck off with the "jobs the british cant be bothered to do" tosh.
Fate of EU citizens in the UK post Brexit
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no i haven't missed that fact. the brexiteers have - and the government are choosing to ignore it. although fuck off with the "jobs the british cant be bothered to do" tosh.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
So why are the vast majority of people who harvest fruit and vegetables usually Eastern European?
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
and "domestic" work in hotels, bars, hospitals ...
often it is because the wages are shockingly low, so low that most British will not take those jobs.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Are your friends actual British citizens with a British passport or are they like the people involved in Windrush who had settled status rather than citizenship?
ska invita
back on the other side
Your post suggests what is happening about the perils of settled status isn't happening, because 'jobs need doing'. Its happening and its very very legal. Have you been reading the thread? It doesn't sound like it. Where is your reason to doubt reality coming from other than you cant imagine it?
The plan is there will be a new points based immigration system introduced post Nov 19 or March 2021 Settled Status deadline. This is how 'jobs' will be filled going into the future. The details aren't known on that. Possibly a more white-skinned english-speaking CANZUK emphasis has been posited by some Tories...its hard to say. India has said any new trade deal would be predicated on more migrants from India being allowed to come to the UK for example.
Whatever the future, in the meantime there is a gulf opening up that will make what looks like it will be hundreds of thousands of people living here legally at present become illegal once the deadline (either 1st Nov 2019 or March 2021 depending) passes, if they dont get their settled status or similiar right to remain.
And in regards 'retaliation', its different country to country, but yes, British migrants living in at least some if not all union countries are also currently having to go through legal/registration processes to make sure they can stay living there. No doubt there will be many people who will be caught out from that side too. Its not tit-for-tat exactly - its an inter-national change in the law.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Because the pay is shit
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
They are British in sense of being formerly part of British Empire which was succeeded by the Commonwealth. A family of nations under the Queen.
They came here post war under free movement of Commonwealth citizens which was gradually restricted.
People forget that as post war the idea was free movement within the Commonwealth.
Windrush hostile environment was about making them prove this.
The parallels with free movement of EU citizens isn't lost on black British people I know.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
And the government licenced gangmasters who recruit them tend to work entirely in those countries. The old days of poor people from the cities getting hired by the day or shipping-out to country villages and living under tarpaulins for a week at a time for the "picking" are long gone - a bucolic memory. Agriculture is a year round and highly organised business now.
And any local folk who had previously got work on the gangs have largely given-up because of miserable conditions, appalling treatment, shit pay, back-breaking work and any excuse being found to hold-back chunks of their meagre money for any number of spurious/invented reasons.
And frankly I doubt brexit will make much difference here - these sharks will always get their "quota" of labour to import from wherever is cheapest.
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DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Newcastle?
Anju
Well-Known Member
This is disgusting but not really a surprise.
People's lives are being stolen.
Rise in EU citizens not getting UK settled status causes alarm
People's lives are being stolen.
Rise in EU citizens not getting UK settled status causes alarm
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Anju
Well-Known Member
I know a few people considering a move.
From a friend's Facebook post.
This one? London/Manchester will always feel like home but now one where we need to think about plan B. No it doesn’t feel the same anymore and certain personal experiences of racism have added to that. I’m not sure I want to grow old here. But if not here, where? I’ve seen the disrespect of the windrush generation, the fact that when people talk about the war they forget about other nationals fro the Common wealth who fought on the side off allies. There are people in this country who think that Britain was made great all by itself and it is ludicrous. The ludicrous delusion. I could go on.... But yes one has to think about the future.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I mean this is the point of immigration laws, to restrict the rights of a certain proportion of the population for the benefit of capital, as well as use that to attack other workers who don't fall into that category. Your whole life is dependent on your relationship with your employer - not just "you might be a bit inconvenienced" but "you will almost certainly have to completely abandon your whole life if you piss off your boss".
I've lived under this in the US. It's not fun. And I was in the "skilled" class of immigrant.
I've lived under this in the US. It's not fun. And I was in the "skilled" class of immigrant.
Anju
Well-Known Member
It's being used to attack all aspects of life at the moment. The whole hostile environment thing is still in effect.
As an example. My mother in law turns 80 this year and we're having a big celebration. She came here from Guyana I'm her early 20s and worked as a nurse in elderly care. She spent her whole life here looking after mostly white English people, often facing racial abuse from the people she was looking after. Now it's looking like she might not be able to get a visitor visa for her brother to come for her birthday. He's been here 3 times in the past but this time it's suddenly an issue. My mother in law has just got together the details for their third request for more information.
Agree with what you said but this seems different. People feel under attack from a country they felt was home before.
ska invita
back on the other side
The Times reporting the 1st November scrapping of freedom of movement is in the bin, because obviously it would create legal pandemonium... the whistle was heard, thats the most important thing.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I notice the pre settled status means no welfare benefits. This is going to affect people who rely on benefits to top up low income.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Yup, a silent method of deportation.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Sadly all too predictable. 
Treacle Toes
Time
They can go home.
Or stay. It's completely up to them.
Can they? Just like that? Are you sure?
Brexit: Mum who has lived in UK for 55 years is denied residency | Metro News
You appear to be making light of a very serious situation lots of people find themselves in.
not-bono-ever
meh
anecdotal- good friend has been here since last century. married to an Albanian with an Italian passport( parents got out during the 90s economic collapse). kids in school here. both have worked solidy and claimed pretty much nothing apart from child benefits.paid their stamp and taxes, better credit rating than me. husbands application was rejected. they dont have the time or money to enagage with this with the summer ending and school starting. worried about the kids schooling and continuity. landlord of 10 years has expressed concern about their status after brexit ( hes actually decent and not some kind of rackhman- just doesnt have a clue how it works and doenst want to fall foul of the law)> they are decamping back to Slovakia now. its killing them. this exodus has already started. they dont feel welcome by the regime any more
ska invita
back on the other side
The deadline is March 2021, encourage them to hold on a bit?
ska invita
back on the other side
Oh it's joined up alright...joined from bottom to the top
harpo
Listening to Radio Jackie
That's what I have said to my husband.
not-bono-ever
meh
They’ve had enough of the insecurity and the toxicity around the whole debacle
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