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Starry Wisdom
Cock up & conspiracy?
Fate of EU citizens in the UK post Brexit
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spitfire
Walty McWaltface
CRI
Registered Chooser
Sorry to hear about that. Whether it's cock up or conspiracy, it's still voter suppression and disenfranchisement. If it's more than a handful of people denied their right to vote, the whole election should be invalidated. But, the government and opportunity are running such a shit show, I don't think they'd even have a fucking clue how to do that.
I'm old enough to remember when if something like this happened in a developing country, there would be much hand wringing, tutting and threats of sanctions from British politicians. Now it's happening right here and I'm sure it will just be a "meh."
This journo is collecting examples from folks, so maybe drop her a line.
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
Column B being for Brokenshire?A little bit of column A and a little bit of column B?
Mebbe.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Electoral Commission | Electoral Commission statement regarding some EU citizens being unable to vote in the European Parliamentary Elections
"We understand the frustration of some citizens of other EU Member States, resident in the UK, who have been finding they are unable to vote today when they wish to do so.
"All eligible EU citizens have the right to vote in the EU elections in their home Member State. If an EU citizen instead chooses to vote in the EU election in the UK, there is a process for them to complete to essentially transfer their right to vote, from their home Member State to the UK. This is a requirement of EU law, which specifies that this has to be done “sufficiently in advance of polling day”. UK law sets this as 12 working days in advance of the poll.
"This legal process could be made easier for citizens, and the Commission made the case for doing so following the last EU elections in 2014. However, improvements to the process are reliant on changes to electoral law, which can only be taken forward by Government and Parliament.
"The very short notice from the government of the UK’s participation in these elections impacted on the time available for awareness of this process amongst citizens, and for citizens to complete the process. EU citizens’ right to vote in the election in their home Member State remains unaffected by the change in the UK’s participation; in order to do so, they would need to be registered in that country in accordance with that country’s process and timetable."
"We understand the frustration of some citizens of other EU Member States, resident in the UK, who have been finding they are unable to vote today when they wish to do so.
"All eligible EU citizens have the right to vote in the EU elections in their home Member State. If an EU citizen instead chooses to vote in the EU election in the UK, there is a process for them to complete to essentially transfer their right to vote, from their home Member State to the UK. This is a requirement of EU law, which specifies that this has to be done “sufficiently in advance of polling day”. UK law sets this as 12 working days in advance of the poll.
"This legal process could be made easier for citizens, and the Commission made the case for doing so following the last EU elections in 2014. However, improvements to the process are reliant on changes to electoral law, which can only be taken forward by Government and Parliament.
"The very short notice from the government of the UK’s participation in these elections impacted on the time available for awareness of this process amongst citizens, and for citizens to complete the process. EU citizens’ right to vote in the election in their home Member State remains unaffected by the change in the UK’s participation; in order to do so, they would need to be registered in that country in accordance with that country’s process and timetable."
Schmetterling
I saw something nasty in the woodshed!
Well, Tower Hamlets managed to send me the form well in advance with an added note that, at the time of sending out the letters, it was not sure yet whether the UK would be taking part in the EU elections. Why couldn’t other councils manage this?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Can anyone enlighten me on deadline for settled status?
As the Brexit nightmare grinds on UK has extended the deadline for leaving.
Does this mean the deadline to apply for settled status extended?
Just asking. My partner like other EU nationals from other EU countries are reluctant to go through this humiliating process of having to justify their presence in anti immigrant Brexit Britain unless they really have to. After working and contributing to this country they are a bit pissed off.
They are still holding for Brexit to not happen. As I am.
Anyone know?
To add:
A friend of mine from another EU country has gone for the whole British citizenship thing.
My friend got full UK citizenship. Including ceremony with picture of her majesty.
As my friend said they are now citizen of two racist countries.
I really hate my country sometimes.
As the Brexit nightmare grinds on UK has extended the deadline for leaving.
Does this mean the deadline to apply for settled status extended?
Just asking. My partner like other EU nationals from other EU countries are reluctant to go through this humiliating process of having to justify their presence in anti immigrant Brexit Britain unless they really have to. After working and contributing to this country they are a bit pissed off.
They are still holding for Brexit to not happen. As I am.
Anyone know?
To add:
A friend of mine from another EU country has gone for the whole British citizenship thing.
My friend got full UK citizenship. Including ceremony with picture of her majesty.
As my friend said they are now citizen of two racist countries.
I really hate my country sometimes.
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andysays
Love and solidarity
I'm in Spain this week and my voting card was delivered over the May bank holiday weekend, with the deadline for submitting a request for a postal vote set at the Tuesday and no info about how to actually apply. As a result, I am also unable to vote.
I suggest it's primarily the last minute nature of the election which has caused/allowed the administrative fuck ups, rather a deliberate desire to prevent EU citizens (or anyone else) from voting.
I suggest it's primarily the last minute nature of the election which has caused/allowed the administrative fuck ups, rather a deliberate desire to prevent EU citizens (or anyone else) from voting.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh but tbh it's not like the british state has made any genuine effort to help people vote, not the inconvenient people anyway
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
There are two dates 30 June 2021 in the event of a deal. If the UK leaves with no deal 30 December 2020. I get why people don't want to apply as it is humiliating and in our experience (still waiting for an answer) it's nothing but worry and doubt. Our solicitor thinks the HO is actually trying to make the process easier and favourable and puts our difficulties down to the fact that my wife is applying as a spouse of an Irish citizen.
Your partner and friends have to weigh up the fact that if they are not in the scheme (indefinite leave to remain (settled status)), when the employment checks which their employer and landlord will have to carry out will have them facing the full weight of the hostile environment.
eta: I'm not in anyway endorsing the scheme.
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andysays
Love and solidarity
Who you calling inconvenient?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i'm not calling anyone inconvenient, i'm saying that from the pov of the british state eu citizens in the uk are inconvenient.Who you calling inconvenient?
andysays
Love and solidarity
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Great news fly
ska invita
back on the other side
unsurprisingly Johnson is taking a leaf from the Trump playbook, telling outright lies with a straight face and not letting facts get in the way...there are no plans to change the regime
This is the simple bit of legislation that would solve this issue
https://www.freemovement.org.uk/thi...ausing-a-new-windrush-scandal-for-eu-citizens
so easily doable if the political will was there
and then theres this
Surge in EU citizens unfairly refused access to universal credit
which shows where the political will lies
cunts
This is the simple bit of legislation that would solve this issue
https://www.freemovement.org.uk/thi...ausing-a-new-windrush-scandal-for-eu-citizens
so easily doable if the political will was there
and then theres this
Surge in EU citizens unfairly refused access to universal credit
which shows where the political will lies
cunts
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Gramsci
Well-Known Member
just seen this.
UK seeks to end freedom of movement for EU citizens on day one of Brexit
Patel thinks ending free movement on day one of No Deal Brexit is great idea.
None of this surprised me. Why I was always against Brexit.
My Spanish partner was at the Spanish Embassy last week. The Spanish government are doing their best to support Spanish Nationals here.
As the article says if Free Movement is ended on day one of Brexit how will they distinguish between new people and those who are living here?
The Spanish government has given my partner status as living in UK as Spanish citizen.
They did it without any fuss. I hope the Spanish and other EU governments stand up for their citizens here. Looks the Spanish government is doing that.
Getting our borders back was big element of Brexit and its not surprising this is happening.
Patel is using EU citizens living here from other countries as bargaining chips.:
UK seeks to end freedom of movement for EU citizens on day one of Brexit
Patel thinks ending free movement on day one of No Deal Brexit is great idea.
None of this surprised me. Why I was always against Brexit.
My Spanish partner was at the Spanish Embassy last week. The Spanish government are doing their best to support Spanish Nationals here.
As the article says if Free Movement is ended on day one of Brexit how will they distinguish between new people and those who are living here?
The Spanish government has given my partner status as living in UK as Spanish citizen.
They did it without any fuss. I hope the Spanish and other EU governments stand up for their citizens here. Looks the Spanish government is doing that.
Getting our borders back was big element of Brexit and its not surprising this is happening.
Patel is using EU citizens living here from other countries as bargaining chips.:
ska invita
back on the other side
Not just as bargaining chips but also more dog whistling to Brexit Party types ahead of an election. I don't believe there is any intention for any of this to happen, but the fact the Tories think it is politically expedient to say it says it all. The worry and stress it adds to people living here without British citizenship doesn't even register for them. Disgusting
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Reply to Priti Patel from the 3Million group.
Threat to end freedom of movement overnight is reckless, say EU citizens
I do think this Boris government are seriously thinking of ending free movement day after Brexit.
This is another Windrush situation.
They might not do it. But I would not put it past them.
Government still not budging on making status of other EU nationals declaratory. Which would solve this issue.
Threat to end freedom of movement overnight is reckless, say EU citizens
I do think this Boris government are seriously thinking of ending free movement day after Brexit.
This is another Windrush situation.
They might not do it. But I would not put it past them.
Government still not budging on making status of other EU nationals declaratory. Which would solve this issue.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh. but before this can happen we'd need to leave the eu and i would be rather surprised if the uk were not in the eu on 1/1/19
as i've said elsewhere, the chances of getting a trade deal from the usa if there's no deal are effectively 0 as the house of representatives, let alone the senate, will be unimpressed with the good friday agreement being buggered - the usa is a guarantor of the deal. all the noises trump makes about a trade deal is just that, noise, he can't deliver one without congress
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
this government cannot leave the eu without making things extremely difficult for itself in america, let alone europe. they can fart out wind about ending free movement, but they don't have the freedom of action they claim.
ska invita
back on the other side
It's so unworkable and the carnage so great surely it's just pre election showing off how big a bunch of cunts they are. Though as you say, there is nothing I wouldn't put past them.
ska invita
back on the other side
Well over 2 million + to go
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Not denying the shitness of it.
Des Kinvig
Well-Known Member
I would advise any eu citizens to get the settled status done quick so you have indefinite leave to remain before 31st october. I think a lot of people have bought permanent residence cards following the legal advice which has made them complacent about this. Especially with the current government.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
My HM has said loads of her Polish mates and Italians etc have not bothered to apply. They think our govt is so shit it dont matter.
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