Should the death penalty be reintroduced in the UK?

[littlebabyjesus]

The discussion serves a function in other threads because we don't know how to make sense of this kind of thing.

Nobody is really interested in having the same conversation again about the death penalty.

Does it? I find it depressingly tiresome whenever it is brought up. (And I'm also guilty of rising to the bait when I should know better.)

 

[newme]

That would require a trust in the process far beyond what I have seen is remotely possible and a bloodlust I simply do not possess.

 

[sim667]

Obviously no.

 

[StoneRoad]

Absolutely NO.

The risk of executing an innocent person is too high.

And being locked up 23hrs a day - with no luxuries and the minimum of facilities - for the rest of their natural life seems a better solution. Given the other lags feelings about sex offenders and child murderers, most of that time would be in solitary ... imo, a much harsher option than the death penalty.

 

[Aaronf]

I can't shake the feeling that all the things the victims can longer do - eat/sleep/drink/exercise etc. the perpetrator still can

 

[Red Cat]

Does it? I find it depressingly tiresome whenever it is brought up. (And I'm also guilty of rising to the bait when I should know better.)

Yes I think it serves to extend a discussion about killing when nobody knows what to say or how to understand it but for whatever reason wants it to continue. Otherwise it wouldn't turn up so predictably every single time.

It functions as a distraction to not knowing, a space filler etc.

Now its on a thread on its own it has no energy, what is there to say?

 

[Serge Forward]

I can't shake the feeling that all the things the victims can longer do - eat/sleep/drink/exercise etc. the perpetrator still can

That's retribution, one step away from "and eye for an eye", and no good ever comes from that.

Eta. Basically that vile person you're thinking about here is never coming out of prison/mental institution, ever. It's possible that they'll spend most of their life in solitary as well. It won't get any better than that.

 

[hash tag]

The more I learn about it the worse it appears to be. From an article I posted a month back
'Mr Hakamata's case is remarkable. But it also shines a light on the systemic brutality underpinning Japan's justice system, where death row inmates are only notified of their hanging a few hours in advance, and spend years unsure whether each day will be their last.".
He was a lucky onem

 

[rubbershoes]

Absolutely not

 

[Boo Radley75]

It is interesting that certain types of people (and I'm not talking about anyone on this forum, before I get flamed) will shout and yell about bringing back the death penalty while also screaming and scaremongering about sharia law.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

It's dead simple. If we had the death penalty the Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four would probably all have been hung. This would have helped make the Troubles even more troubling and worked wonders for community cohesion. Just two simple examples. There are loads more.

 

[Rebecca Riot]

Absolutely NO.

The risk of executing an innocent person is too high.

And being locked up 23hrs a day - with no luxuries and the minimum of facilities - for the rest of their natural life seems a better solution. Given the other lags feelings about sex offenders and child murderers, most of that time would be in solitary ... imo, a much harsher option than the death penalty.

The father of Sara Sharif, who tortured her for years before killing her has been badly beaten up by other prisoners. Good...a quick death would be too good after what he did.

 

[Aaronf]

I was thinking, is it worse to wish death on these people or wish unimaginable suffering on them?

Both have been perpetrated on their victims in all the cases mentioned

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yes I think it serves to extend a discussion about killing when nobody knows what to say or how to understand it but for whatever reason wants it to continue. Otherwise it wouldn't turn up so predictably every single time.

It serves to extend such discussions in depressingly stereotypical ways. Better not to discuss anything about it (and yes, I know I can also be criticised on that score). Taking the murder of Sara Sharif as the example, there is discussion to be had about the failures of the system. There might even be discussion to be had about the role of home ed and how it works. Beyond that? I find yelling at the internet about how evil a person is to be particularly depressing and pointless. Combining that with expressions of a desire for harm to that person is worse than pointless.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I was thinking, is it worse to wish death on these people or wish unimaginable suffering on them?

Both have been perpetrated on their victims in all the cases mentioned

I wish for the rest of us to be kept safe from such people. Nothing more.

I don't presume to speak for the victims or their loved ones, who will have their own thoughts.

 

[ice-is-forming]

I wonder if it should be offered as an option, if you've been found guilty and you're in sound mind to request it.

But no waiting around in death row.

 

[Boo Radley75]

The father of Sara Sharif, who tortured her for years before killing her has been badly beaten up by other prisoners. Good...a quick death would be too good after what he did.

To be fair, when you look into these prison violence situations, you usually find, far from giving a moral beating, the perpetrator is usually in prison for something equally as cuntish and the violence is some petty row over stealing coffee or something.

 

[Red Cat]

It serves to extend such discussions in depressingly stereotypical ways. Better not to discuss anything about it (and yes, I know I can also be criticised on that score). Taking the murder of Sara Sharif as the example, there is discussion to be had about the failures of the system. There might even be discussion to be had about the role of home ed and how it works. Beyond that? I find yelling at the internet about how evil a person is to be particularly depressing and pointless. Combining that with expressions of a desire for harm to that person is worse than pointless.

I'm not sure if you're misunderstanding me.

I am saying it serves a psychological function, either for the individual or the group, because its' 'easier' to have an argument about the death penalty than to admit to not knowing how to think or feel or explain killings such as that committed in Southport.

I'm not saying it's productive.

 

[bcuster]

Does UK have life without parole?

 

[Rebecca Riot]

To be fair, when you look into these prison violence situations, you usually find, far from giving a moral beating, the perpetrator is usually in prison for something equally as cuntish and the violence is some petty row over stealing coffee or something.

Yes, that's true but child killers do seem to get a particularly rough time in prison, often at the hands of others who have also killed but not kids.

 

[planetgeli]

Does UK have life without parole?

A small minority, yes. Very small compared to your place.

But we have other things. Sentences that can be extended indefinitely. Go in for 6 months, 14 years later you're still there. Having done nothing further wrong.

 

[Boo Radley75]

Does UK have life without parole?

Yes. In the situation of the Southport attacker, though being under 18 at the time of the attack meant the judge couldn't sentence him to that. 52 Yr minimum is about the highest sentence he could have given. Certainly the highest minimum sentence other that whole life I've ever heard of in the UK.

 

[Cloo]

Nope. One awful crime happens and some people start saying 'ooh, we need the death penalty' when the awful crime is always committed by someone who clearly would never have been stopped by the death penalty.

 

[Lotte]

No, because it isn't a deterrent and it costs too much money and one Derek Bentley was enough. We don't need more. There are men like Rudakubana in the US and always have been, and the death penalty hasn't stopped them.

Spymaster saying 'of course' doesn't surprise me though.

 

[Lotte]

It is interesting that certain types of people (and I'm not talking about anyone on this forum, before I get flamed) will shout and yell about bringing back the death penalty while also screaming and scaremongering about sharia law.

Death penalty when Muslims do it = bad. Death penalty when Christians do it = good.

 

[Spymaster]

Yes I think it serves to extend a discussion about killing when nobody knows what to say or how to understand it but for whatever reason wants it to continue. Otherwise it wouldn't turn up so predictably every single time.

It functions as a distraction to not knowing, a space filler etc.

Now its on a thread on its own it has no energy, what is there to say?

Yeah, this.

Discussing it here again we'll just go round and round with all the same stuff we've done loads of times before. When it comes up on other threads there's usually more context than just arguing about deterrence/not deterrence, retribution, punishment etc etc etc.

 

[Lotte]

To be fair, when you look into these prison violence situations, you usually find, far from giving a moral beating, the perpetrator is usually in prison for something equally as cuntish and the violence is some petty row over stealing coffee or something.

The guy who beat up Sharif's dad murdered a taxi driver, and also murdered a woman and dismembered her body. He's a fucking monster.

 

[Spymaster]

It's dead simple. If we had the death penalty the Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four would probably all have been hung.

This isn't much of an argument really. It's only an argument against mandatory capital punishment for certain offences, and nobody has ever argued for that.

 

[Spymaster]

Spymaster saying 'of course' doesn't surprise me though.

I bet people call you Sherlock Holmes!

 

[Pickman's model]

They've taken someone else's life in the most cold blooded circumstances so they've revoked their right to carry on experiencing what they snatched away from another human being.

So then you'd kill the executioner