Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

[krtek a houby]

I literally had something like this happen to me yesterday in my local.

I asked him three times to stop because our politics are obviously not aligned and three times he apologised.

And three times he kept going. Just couldn't read the fucking room and so I told him him quite loud that he was a racist cunt and got told off by the bar staff. He then played victim saying "I've had enough of this and your wokeness" and wandered off to the other side off the bar.

I was so cross I had to leave.

There's a lot of this going on I'm sure; peoples casual racism coming more transparent because they think the things they read in social media validate the opinions they've always had but maybe never voices.

Tbf, experienced similar on occasion when living in the UK and this was going back years. Casual and not so casual.

But there was also positive responses to such boneheads - staff barring them or at the very least, getting them to apologize.

 

[ska invita]

 

[The39thStep]

Even a stopped clock, ming...

Has she been out on any of the counter demos or is making money her main concern?

 

[JimW]

One interesting cop tactic I've not seen before was on a video from Bristol, where the cops feigned a retreat only to baton charge the monkey dancing fash. A cannier commander might have gone back further and brought a line of cops round behind the fascists, kettling them.

Must be one of the oldest tactics in the book. ETA In actual old school battles I mean

 

[Orang Utan]

No idea who she is. Should I?

“Left-wing” grifter, like Femi Sorry, but with extra fruit in the cakemix

 

[lengualo]

I know she's not flavour of the month with some but I agree with this 100%.

Whats wrong with her? I dont follow YT drama and I'm more a centre left progressive, so dunno if shes pissed people off and it went over my head.

 

[hitmouse]

As to whether that long list of targets for Wednesday being misinformation, quite probably. Firstly, the initial targets from the last few days weren't really 'announced' - I think - though I've been on phone only since Thursday and not able to do much searching. Secondly, even when locations are announced for demos where there's a degree of illegality, the usual approach is to circulate a town centre or similar, with specifics either to follow or to be announced on the day.

Have we got anything definite on who is doing the main organising or the mechanisms used (Telegram was mentioned)? Sorry, i've been blathering on about the stuff I went to, but am playing catch up on the rest.

I'm still not really clear on it myself, I think a lot of it will be WhatsApp/Telegram groups. FLAF mention a facebook group called Football Lads United, Red Flare say "A far-right Telegram group with 13,000 members" but don't name the group, people I've spoken to irl say a lot of it was tiktok. Some of it's definitely been facebook as well.

 

[_Russ_]

Like the SPG you mean?

That takes me back, are the cunts still in extent?
I know ill google

 

[Lotte]

James Goddard was sharing the list earlier but has now backed down from it:
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Goddard lives in my area, AFAIK. I remember sharing some Manchester Collective sticker photos with FLAF and they confirmed it was him.

As for boycotting anything that isn't English...hahaha good luck with that.

 

[The39thStep]

Goddard lives in my area, AFAIK. I remember sharing some Manchester Collective sticker photos with FLAF and they confirmed it was him.

As for boycotting anything that isn't English...hahaha good luck with that.

Lived. he lives abroad now

 

[Wilf]

I'm still not really clear on it myself, I think a lot of it will be WhatsApp/Telegram groups. FLAF mention a facebook group called Football Lads United, Red Flare say "A far-right Telegram group with 13,000 members" but don't name the group, people I've spoken to irl say a lot of it was tiktok. Some of it's definitely been facebook as well.

Cheers. They all seem to be, for the moment, quite un-leaky. Remarkably so in fact for out social media age.

 

[The39thStep]

Whats wrong with her? I dont follow YT drama and I'm more a centre left progressive, so dunno if shes pissed people off and it went over my head.

Perhaps not the time or place for this discussion here but start a thread and I and no doubt others will contribute

 

[lengualo]

Perhaps not the time or place for this discussion here but start a thread and I and no doubt others will contribute

Ah, its heated? I was just morbidly curious but if Im gonna start a war I probably shouldnt.

 

[planetgeli]

That takes me back, are the cunts still in extent?
I know ill google

You may find you're many years out of touch.

 

[Sasaferrato]

You may find you're many years out of touch.

Disbanded after murdering someone.

 

[Orang Utan]

Lived. he lives abroad now

I thought he was just on his holidays/on the run

 

[Lotte]

Lived. he lives abroad now

Good riddance.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Good riddance.

Sadly, only once he's brown bread. These types will still cause trouble from afar.

 

[Humberto]

You have a point.

While the spark for the 2011 riots was the extrajudicial killing of Mark Duggan by the cops in London, these riots are arguably more akin to the 1981 riots, albeit back then the rioters included disaffected youths in eg disaffected black youths in Moss Side, Manchester, although now it's seemingly more about disaffected white youths (stoked up by right-wing politicians and social media influencers).

There are similarities, though, in terms of unrest in post-industrial towns, high levels of deprivation/poverty, young people feeling helpless and despondent, and feeling like their problems aren't being taken seriously by those in power.

Although, having mentioned social media, it's weird how things have been stoked up into riots just after the Labour government has taken power.

I mean, 14 years of an austerity agenda implemented to a cruel extent by the Conservatives, record levels of child poverty and food bank usage, and yet the riots start * after * they leave office?!?!?

For all Starmer kept promising 'change' he also kept promising more of the same. And while the argument was that he needed to secure the votes of those among the electorate who are (centre) right, Starmer seems to have failed to take account of the impact of pandering to racists/fascists, ie they will expect racist/fascist policies to be enacted.

If you use dog whistle politics, the dogs will be summoned by the whistle.

Sure, and for most of us this time feels so much shitter because of the politics running through it and the way it is sucking people in (chants of Tommy Robinson etc). I feel like there's nothing else the government could really have done differently other than emphasise that the behaviour (looting, violence, destruction) is an illegitimate and criminal act with no justification. Which they have done. I hope they can deliver the other part that they've emphasised, the intention to root out and prosecute if neccessary the malicious stirrers and influencers of this horrible behaviour that we have seen from those following them

 

[Rimbaud]

From what I understand the key online message came from that EDL bloke, not SYL that other guy, who posted all the city dates and times - have I got that right?

I'm not sure, it's a tangled web.

UK probes whether ‘state actors’ stoked far-right riots

False claims about the identity of a murder suspect have spread far and wide online.

www.politico.eu

The initial rumour that it was a Muslim asylum seekers who carried out the knife attack was from a Russia linked "news" channel.

I reckon this was organic to an extent but there are multiple actors funding botnets and propaganda to create this environment where they feel emboldened and like everyone is behind them.

Look at the comments for any YouTube news channel about the riots:



Literally every comment is alt-right, there's no way that is organic. But it gives the rioters the impression that the country is behind them which is what emboldens them.

I don't think it is a coincidence that we recently had an influx of people from the AV Forums after their mod team started banning any criticism of the alt right.

I think there are 3 things going on - the US Silicon Valley right (Musk, Thiel) are on some kind of social media offensive, Russia is sowing division online as always, and Israeli Hasbara are trying to spread Islamophobia. I recently checked r/worldnews on Reddit to see how this was reported and was surprised to see how blatant it is that the mod team have been taken over by Hasbara, seems they ban people for even the most moderate comment in sympathy for Palestine.

 

[Wookey]

Hot days and misinformation - Creating Socialism

As thugs rampage against immigrants we must stay united. There is no mass immigration or refugee crisis in the UK.

creatingsocialism.org

Brilliant piece Hot Days and Misinformation, really sums up what's happening and a constructive response.

 

[gosub]

One tiny silver lining will be a temporary reduction in domestic violence for the time they're out of circulation. Not all racists beat up their partners and kids, but the ones involved in these violent, hateful riots will cross over with domestic violence abusers so neatly that the circles in the Venn diagram would look like a total eclipse.

Looking at the footage of the Greggs looting in Hull a lot of it is mindless youth with a sense of opputunism.....2011 is before their memory. Just watched kids diminishing what life opputuities they had for 4 litres of milk or a couple of bottles of water.

 

[keybored]

Is this parody or am I looking for a different word?

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[scifisam]

Looking at the footage of the Greggs looting in Hull a lot of it is mindless youth with a sense of opputunism.....2011 is before their memory. Just watched kids diminishing what life opputuities they had for 4 litres of milk or a couple of bottles of water.

I think you quoted the wrong part of my post. But I wasn't suggesting that there was anything intentional about the dates being the same - it's not "let's smash things up again for the 13th anniversary of rioting by completely different groups of people."

I was just speculating that that particular week is hard to police due to lower numbers of officers to draft in for emergencies, so it gets worse more easily. It would apply to most of August TBF.

 

[Epona]

Sure, and for most of us this time feels so much shitter because of the politics running through it and the way it is sucking people in (chants of Tommy Robinson etc). I feel like there's nothing else the government could really have done differently other than emphasise that the behaviour (looting, violence, destruction) is an illegitimate and criminal act with no justification. Which they have done. I hope they can deliver the other part that they've emphasised, the intention to root out and prosecute if neccessary the malicious stirrers and influencers of this horrible behaviour that we have seen from those following them

The other thing the government needs to do is actually grow some left-wing balls (faint hope, I know) and stop with the immigrant-blaming rhetoric.
No real alternative view being put forward to suggest that asylum seekers and immigrants aren't the enemy in terms of mainstream politics, and that is firmly at Labour's door, with Starmer's "we want to stop the small boats too" (look, I'm as good as the Tories!) rhetoric right there in the mix.

 

[TopCat]

I can't believe we're now in a situation where we may in fact end up with things kicking off on Cheadle High Street:
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The39thStep we need an update.

 

[Humberto]

The other thing the government needs to do is actually grow some left-wing balls (faint hope, I know) and stop with the immigrant-blaming rhetoric.
No real alternative view being put forward to suggest that asylum seekers and immigrants aren't the enemy in terms of mainstream politics, and that is firmly at Labour's door, with Starmer's "we want to stop the small boats too" (look, I'm as good as the Tories!) rhetoric right there in the mix.

Agree but 'twas the main Tory attack line in a tightrope affair. I'd hope in time we might see something a bit more humane. Whether we will I couldn't say

 

[gosub]

I think you quoted the wrong part of my post. But I wasn't suggesting that there was anything intentional about the dates being the same - it's not "let's smash things up again for the 13th anniversary of rioting by completely different groups of people."

I was just speculating that that particular week is hard to police due to lower numbers of officers to draft in for emergencies, so it gets worse more easily. It would apply to most of August TBF.

No 2011 came to my mind remembering the bloke with a couple of kilos of flour that they threw the book at.

Was living in Edinburgh then too. Bought a pack of fags and the shop keeper heard my accent and jokingly begged me not to loot. Haven't had that yet this time round

 

[lengualo]

I'm not sure, it's a tangled web.

UK probes whether ‘state actors’ stoked far-right riots

False claims about the identity of a murder suspect have spread far and wide online.

www.politico.eu

The initial rumour that it was a Muslim asylum seekers who carried out the knife attack was from a Russia linked "news" channel.

I reckon this was organic to an extent but there are multiple actors funding botnets and propaganda to create this environment where they feel emboldened and like everyone is behind them.

Look at the comments for any YouTube news channel about the riots:



Literally every comment is alt-right, there's no way that is organic. But it gives the rioters the impression that the country is behind them which is what emboldens them.

I don't think it is a coincidence that we recently had an influx of people from the AV Forums after their mod team started banning any criticism of the alt right.

I think there are 3 things going on - the US Silicon Valley right (Musk, Thiel) are on some kind of social media offensive, Russia is sowing division online as always, and Israeli Hasbara are trying to spread Islamophobia. I recently checked r/worldnews on Reddit to see how this was reported and was surprised to see how blatant it is that the mod team have been taken over by Hasbara, seems they ban people for even the most moderate comment in sympathy for Palestine.

There was a yougov poll that signals that public sentiment from Labour to Reform as opposed to the rioters. Online comments are super skewed and stilted.

 

[rubbershoes]

I'm not sure, it's a tangled web.

UK probes whether ‘state actors’ stoked far-right riots

False claims about the identity of a murder suspect have spread far and wide online.

www.politico.eu

The initial rumour that it was a Muslim asylum seekers who carried out the knife attack was from a Russia linked "news" channel.

I reckon this was organic to an extent but there are multiple actors funding botnets and propaganda to create this environment where they feel emboldened and like everyone is behind them.

Look at the comments for any YouTube news channel about the riots:



Literally every comment is alt-right, there's no way that is organic. But it gives the rioters the impression that the country is behind them which is what emboldens them.

I don't think it is a coincidence that we recently had an influx of people from the AV Forums after their mod team started banning any criticism of the alt right.

I think there are 3 things going on - the US Silicon Valley right (Musk, Thiel) are on some kind of social media offensive, Russia is sowing division online as always, and Israeli Hasbara are trying to spread Islamophobia. I recently checked r/worldnews on Reddit to see how this was reported and was surprised to see how blatant it is that the mod team have been taken over by Hasbara, seems they ban people for even the most moderate comment in sympathy for Palestine.

That's true but Reform did get 4 million votes